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Post by dan201 » Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:54 pm
Hello,
I am seeking help on a rather complicated matter that I hope you can assist me with.
Long story short, my former tenant still hasn't refunded my deposit (£800) and has no intention to do so. That is why I am now looking toward a legal action against him (through small claims). Besides he never even protected it in a government approved scheme (he even used a fake deposit certificate that he gave me, I only found out later!) so I'm entitled up to 3x the amount of the original deposit if I go to court.
The thing is, and that is why of course I am asking this here, that he had to enter into IVA last year.
So is it worth going to court (and / or small claims) if he doesn't even have the money that he's ordered to pay me back? If I get added as one of his creditors, how much can I hope to get back? Or can I get my money back outside of the IVA?
I have to add that he owed me that money BEFORE entering into the IVA, I don't know the importance it can have but I thought it would be good to mention.

Thanks in advance for your help.
Dan

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Post by luluj » Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:55 am
I think you need to identify who the insolvency practitioner is and contact them to be added as a creditor - you may get something back of the £800, but it will be in line with what was agreed at the outset of the persons iva - you would just "fall in" to the distribution, if accepted as a creditor.
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Post by Lisa Thomas » Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:19 pm
Do you perhaps mean landlord rather than tenant? If he owes you your deposit back you must have been the tenant?

Contact his Supervisor - you should have been listed as a creditor of his IVA and will need to lodge a claim.

You might be prevented from taking any recovery action because you are likely bound by the IVA, even if you didn't know about it.
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Post by dan201 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:09 pm
Hi guys, thanks for your replies. Yes I mean landlord of course, he was my former landlord.

What do I need to do to be added as a creditor? I know I need to find the practitioner but do I need to send him proof he owes me money?
Also if I claim the maximum amount possible (£2400 in that case), would that mean that I get a higher priority / percentage on the monthly payments than if I claim "only" £800?

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Post by Lisa Thomas » Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:28 am
The Supervisor will send you a claim form to fill in and return with any supporting evidence that you have.

I suspect your claim will be limited to the £800, unless you have a contract or Court Order that it should be any more that that.
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Post by dan201 » Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:33 pm
Very well thanks for your help I will get in touch with his Supervisor

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Post by Mrs_Brown » Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:36 am
I am not sure that being added as a creditor is appropriate,

This link on Gov.uk suggests it's a court fine

https://www.gov.uk/tenancy-deposit-prot ... ur-deposit

And this link on slStepchange says court fees aren't included in an IVA.

https://www.stepchange.org/debt-info/de ... n-iva.aspx

Wouldn't this mean full amount is due?

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Post by dan201 » Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:06 am
Hi Mrs_Brown,
That’s a very interesting find. Looking forward to see what the other experts think about this.

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Post by Lisa Thomas » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:09 am
The initial deposit of £800 is not a fine, it is an unsecured debt imo.

OP has not been to Court so no fine has been set.
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Post by Lisa Thomas » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:09 am
I think the Court fines excluded relate to drug offences but will revisit and come back on this
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Post by dan201 » Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:40 pm
Hey everyone,
Any more info on this please?

I think I will go to a Citizens Advice Bureau and a Law Center around me tomorrow, to get advice on what to do next.

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Post by Lisa Thomas » Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:03 pm
Have you spoken to the IVA Supervisor?

You need to lodge a claim with them for the £800
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Post by dan201 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:20 pm
To be honest I would rather avoid entering into the IVA, or use it as a last resort because it would mean that I will not get back the total amount of what I am due, only a percentage.
If I go to small claims I'm entitled to £800 + interests ; and I can add to that up to £2,400 for non-protection of my deposit (plus court fees if I win). I've spoken to a solicitor who told me I can issue a warrant of control after a court order, to seize his assets outside of the IVA. But the risk is of course that he still has no money to pay me even if he owes me £3,000+ ; whereas if I go through the IVA I am sure to get some money back, but to what extent?
What do you think I should do?

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Post by Lisa Thomas » Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:09 am
IMO You will be bound by the IVA as this is a pre IVA debt.

I respectfully disagree with the advice given to you by the Solicitor. The IVA prevents you from taking any proceedings in relation to a pre IVA debt.

On top of everything else the debtor is insolvent so won't have money to pay you anything.

You will be throwing good money after bad.
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Post by dan201 » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:38 pm
Even if I was not added as creditor?
What about the other person that mentioned that court fees are excluded from IVA?
Surely he just pays a fixed amount of money to the IVA agency, I would probably be able to retrieve money through his job earnings / banks / assets? What do you think
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