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Lynny

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Post by Lynny » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:22 pm
Hi, We are in month 57 of an iva and are having a nightmare with the equity release with aperture formerly Grant Thornton. Due to an error they had not progressed the equity release process I contacted them and emailed only to be told it will be a further 6 weeks. This will take us near our 59 th payment. Their calculations for the equity release seem incorrect to me. They calculate
House value 170000 minus 136000 mortgage minus 3.5% meaning we have a lot of equity. I calculate it with the ltv meaning we have approx 7000 so no more payments !. They’ve also said it’s not 5000 each de minimus but me and my partner have signed separate Iva’s stating 5000 each. Totally confused I am.

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Post by Foggy » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:30 pm
Lynny wrote:
Hi, We are in month 57 of an iva and are having a nightmare with the equity release with aperture formerly Grant Thornton. Due to an error they had not progressed the equity release process I contacted them and emailed only to be told it will be a further 6 weeks. This will take us near our 59 th payment. Their calculations for the equity release seem incorrect to me. They calculate
House value 170000 minus 136000 mortgage minus 3.5% meaning we have a lot of equity. I calculate it with the ltv meaning we have approx 7000 so no more payments !. They’ve also said it’s not 5000 each de minimus but me and my partner have signed separate Iva’s stating 5000 each. Totally confused I am.
A few months ago Aperture were consistently using what I think was the wrong method of calculating equity -- the one they seem to be using here. However, in the laoks several forum users have mentioned them using the generally accepted method (that contained in the standard terms and conditions at annex 6) --- I thought they had seen the error of their ways, but it seems more likely that different members of staff are using different methods !

Again, a view shared across the industry is the fact that the individual arrangements should be given £5k trigger each, based on each debtors share of equity .... but Aperture always seem to deviate from the norm here.
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Post by Lisa Thomas » Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:44 pm
where does the 3.5% deduction come from?

What do your proposals, modifications and equity calculation example show about the calculation and the LTV etc?
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Post by Foggy » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:50 pm
Lisa Thomas wrote:
where does the 3.5% deduction come from?

What do your proposals, modifications and equity calculation example show about the calculation and the LTV etc?
I believe they allow this to cover fees.
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Post by Lynny » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:20 pm
Hi thanks for the replies. They take the 3.5 % for remortgage fees. My calculations based on their valuation from Zoopla of 170000. Our property it’s 164000. My calcs are

Valuation 170000
Ltv 85% 144500
Mortgage 136329
Equity 8071

Based on the 164000 equity would be 3071. I’ve emailed them but I’m not holding out much hope.

I’ve looked at the agreements and mine and my other half’s that we’ve signed separately has a 5000 de minimus.

Any advice how to escalate would be appreciated.

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Post by Foggy » Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:25 pm
Zoopla is notoriously inaccurate, based on an average of different house type sales in a given region and taking no account of the fact that your house, with all due respect, has had minimal, if any, maintenance over the last half a decade. Check the exact wording on your paperwork ... most will say that you agree to provide the valuations .. it is, in that case, not their place to be consulting the likes of Zoopla.

To escalate the query I would suggest contact to the IP direct, by email and recorded delivery (snail mail) ... look him up here for his contact details: https://www.gov.uk/find-an-insolvency-practitioner
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Post by kallis3 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:34 pm
I agree - get a local agent out for a valuation - online ones are not good!
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Post by Lynny » Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:00 pm
Hi foggy, I’m hoping you can help! Our Iva should be underthe 2013 protocol that advises that the equity calculation is in annex 7. I can find it in annex 6 as you advise but only in the 2014 version. Do you know where I can find 7? Thanks

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Post by Foggy » Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:50 am
Lynny wrote:
Hi foggy, I’m hoping you can help! Our Iva should be underthe 2013 protocol that advises that the equity calculation is in annex 7. I can find it in annex 6 as you advise but only in the 2014 version. Do you know where I can find 7? Thanks
I only have a copy of the 2014 Protocol to hand, but, I believe that the content of the 2013 annex 7 is the same as the later annex 6 . I will do some digging, but hopefully someone else will have a copy and can beat me to it.
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Post by Lisa Thomas » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:29 am
I'm a licensed IP with 16+ yrs at Neville & Co covering the South West area. I have a YouTube channel with advisory videos on here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMPTTu ... Z5k9ZcC2MA http://www.nevilleco.co.uk 01752 786800 Lisa@nevilleco.co.uk

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Post by Lynny » Thu May 17, 2018 7:50 pm
Hi, I’m hoping for a little more advice, select have advised that they follow Aperture’s calculation and are getting in contact with me tomorrow for a possible solution. I’ve asked aperture to explain the 85% LTV as per my arrangement and have found a document that they use to calculate equity with the first step being the calculation they use and the second being the LTV. I’ve had a valuation that shows 155000 equity and latest mortgage redemption is 135612. I’ve checked my Iva and it is protocol compliant. I have asked aperture to escalate my query and they blocked my calls? I finally got through by putting 141 in front of my number and they said they have sent me a letter to arrange an appointment. I’m just worried about what select will say tomorrow and how to handle this ?
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