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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:40 am
by needmoremoney
....was bound to happen!

A recent landmark High Court ruling has effectively scuppered the ability of indebted people to escape paying back their loans without serious consequences.

Fair play? Borrowers have effectively been forced to pay back their debts.

The ruling means that if borrowers manage to escape paying their debts on legal technicalities, the lender could still mar their credit history with a 'default' notice.
This would remain on file for six years and prevent them from obtaining further credit.

Although the borrower cannot be pursued by bailiffs, this black mark renders the legal argument that they can escape their debts without consequence useless.

It effectively puts them in a similar position to having a County Court Judgment against them. Many may decide to repay the loan rather than have their credit file ruined.

The result is a blow to the multi-million pound 'claims management' industry, which has ballooned over the past two years by helping indebted borrowers to escape repaying their loans on the grounds that the original agreements are 'unenforceable'.

Approximately 100,000 people with claims to have their debts written off may now have to pay up and many of the UK's 3,000 'claims management companies' (CMCs) should find their success rates for these claims seriously affected.

The High Court case involved an RBS customer, Phillip McGuffick, who used a CMC to argue his £17,000 personal loan from the bank should be declared unenforceable on the grounds RBS was unable to provide a signed copy of the original agreement, a tactic used by most CMCs to clear their client's debts.

If the bank cannot produce the original signed agreements, the debt can sometimes be written off. If the agreements are produced, CMCs will often argue the agreement does not stand up on the grounds that other vital information is missing.

In the High Court case last week, RBS admitted to being unable to provide the relevant documents and that the loan was unenforceable. However, Mr McGuffick complained that the details of his debt should not have been passed on to the three main credit reference agencies, Equifax, Experian and Call Credit, which logged it as a default.

The ruling pertains specifically to the period when a customer's loan is under dispute, the 12 days plus a calendar month lenders have to provide an agreement after it has been requested. Customers must now continue to make their payments during this period or the lender has the right to pass on their details to a credit reference agency.

It does not state definitively whether lenders have the right to mar a customer's credit file if they fail to locate the agreement within the deadline – and therefore fall into a 'period of non-compliance' – allowing the case to fall in the customer's favour. However the judge hinted that lenders may be able to pass information to credit reference agencies whenever they chose.

He said in court documents: 'Of course, it does not follow from the fact that the motive for reporting during the period of non-compliance is an entirely proper one that such reporting is permitted under the law.'

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:49 am
by Skippy
All I can say is good, it's about time.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:53 am
by rayb
I agree Skippy - happy now

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:40 pm
by Adam Davies
Hi
I also am pleased to see this ruling
Regards

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:59 pm
by Julie
Totally agree.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:33 pm
by Lisa2009
Me too!!

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:49 pm
by Declan at DebtFreeDirect
As do I!

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:52 pm
by Andrew Graveson
Surely to anyone with significant credit "blemishes" this ruling means nothing at all?

The door is still open to claim unenforceability and for many who do not intend to borrow again anytime soon the price may remain worth it?

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:59 pm
by size5
I also would advocate the delay in popping the champagne corks just yet.

Regards.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:37 pm
by Adam Davies
Hi
I think many will avoid this route if they feel that it will blemish their credit record
Regards

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:51 pm
by marky b
surely folk will try avoidance so that it coincides with their iva and have nothing to lose.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:55 pm
by Michael Peoples
I do not think that it will make a huge difference. If someone is happy to avoid paying debts that they know are owed, it is not going to bother them too much if their credit file is damaged as a result. Some may see six years of a tarnished credit file as a small price to pay for having debts written off that would take longer than six years to repay.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:30 pm
by needmoremoney
In reflection, a good credit file is needed only if you need to borrow money. If you are nearing..retirment..with no RE-mortgage to deal with, is a bad CF going to worry you??

Yes, this judgement only affect the young and restless who will need to borrow and so wouldn't like to be out in the cold for 6 years and more as the Banks would not lend again.They know you in their own records

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:44 pm
by kallis3
Reading it, I agree with Size5 and Andrew. Whilst I would love to see this loophole firmly closed, there will be other ways round it.

If you can get your debts written off, a further six years of poor credit rating will be a small price to pay for some.

Those who are after debt avoidance will probably still be able to do it.

I don't think we have seen the last of it yet.

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:13 pm
by Adam Davies
Hi
I am not too sure
I think many people choosing this route are looking for a get out whilst not affecting their credit record. I am guessing that many of these people are actually not insolvent.
Regards