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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 7:14 pm
by Meldn1
I have two more payments to make into my IVA and for the last few months have been in a stressful battle with Payplan regarding my equity release. 85% LTV shows my equity at £1390 which is how it is calculated by the example on government IVA protocol but Payplan are saying this is wrong and my equity is 85% of my actual net interest which is just over £12,000. I'm unable to remortgage and can't find a secure loan company who will lend me the £1390 required to finalise my IVA. Do you know of a lender who would be able to help? The thought of another 12 months in an IVA is just destroying me. Thankyou
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 7:19 pm
by kallis3
Hi and welcome.
It should be 85% ltv - check exactly what it says on your paperwork. If you have less than £5k equity then you should be finished.
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 7:21 pm
by gallifrey
I would double check how they have calculated your equity as well
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 7:24 pm
by lifenoteasy
They do seem to be reinterpreting clauses.
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 7:24 pm
by Foggy
As Kallis says, check your paperwork to see if it specifically refers to the method of calculation. Some clauses are badly worded and can be interpreted in the way that Payplan ( and Aperture) have started doing. However some are not !
If they stick to their method they will not be looking for £1300 - odd but nearer £9k, which makes a 12 month extension somewhat preferable.
Back at grass roots -- were you happy with their valuation of the property ?
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 7:26 pm
by kallis3
We had our own valuation done (free local agent) so I would always recommend that.
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:41 am
by Lisa Thomas
As Foggy says look at any calculations/examples of how the equity was calculated in your original proposals and estimated outcome statement.
This may further evidence that their interpretation is not as was intended.
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:52 pm
by marcus777
They tried that trick with my equity, but backed down when I referred them to the example on their own website.
https://www.payplan.com/the-equity-clau ... swered/#q6
Good luck with sorting it out..
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:00 pm
by Foggy
font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:<hr height="1" noshade>Originally posted by marcus777
They tried that trick with my equity, but backed down when I referred them to the example on their own website.
https://www.payplan.com/the-equity-clau ... swered/#q6
Good luck with sorting it out..
This is the way both Payplan and Aperture ( then known as Grant Thornton) used to calculate equity -- this is also the method set out by the IVA standing committee when Grant Thornton sat on that committee !
However, for reasons best known to themselves ( creditor coersion / greed or IP greed ) they have both decided to use a totally unintended way of interpreting the clause to their own advantage.
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:48 pm
by winter_blues
I had this issue with my I.P. They interpreted equity as 85% of my interest in property not 85% LTV. Took a few strong emails to get my I.P to approach creditors in the end, who were given 28 days to respond to agree or otherwise with their interpretation. They didn't reply so I.P accepted due to the uncertainty around equity clause to accept my view point. Keep pestering and maybe try to convince them of this approach.
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 7:01 pm
by kallis3
You just keep pestering Payplan - they usually back down.
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:25 am
by Meldn1
Thanks for all the replies. My case officer put my concerns to my IP who basically agreed with the calculation of equity but is willing to put it to the creditors for their decision as he cannot take the decision himself. However she did say if the creditors don't agree they can make me bankrupt and after nearly 5 years complying with my plan this is the last thing I want. Payplan are treating my concerns as a complaint and I received a call from a compliance officer who said I could have another valuation on my house but it would need to be 18k less than my estate agent valuation which is highly unlikely or I could get a family member to make an offer of a full and final settlement! Payplan still aren't responding to my questions about their misleading website and if they follow the Government IVA protocol. I don't know what to do next just seem to be going round in circles and as from today only have one more payment left of the 5 years.
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:40 am
by lifenoteasy
The job of the ip is to do exactly what they are passing the buck on - and that is make a decision.
Complain via the insolvency gateway and also state to your ip that you want them to confirm that they will put you in a situation financially if the complaint is upheld I.e. They will compensate you.
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 9:09 am
by kallis3
Ignore the threat of bankruptcy!!! Payplan are well known for doing this. It was put into my proposal for a full and final and I insisted it was taken out, which it was.
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 9:19 am
by winter_blues
chances are - creditors will not reply. This happened with mine - creditors ignored letter and after 2nd letter and timescale set , I.P agreed to my calculations.