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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 5:29 pm
by Graham
Hi,
i need some help withmy debt and i was wondering if someone can help me. I am a 55 yrs old man that has just had heart attack and i am now recovering from it. My doctor says i will make a full recovery. He has suggested that i should relieve myself from some stress i might have and the only thing i could think of was my debt that is around £60,000. I have two loans and 5 credit cards. I have been with my present employer for 25 yrs now and i am earn a resonable wage. I was wondering what my option are so that i can sleep better and make sure my health doesn't suffer anymore.

Thank you in advance

Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:57 pm
by batawi3
Hi Graham,

I am not an expert or anything, but have just had my IVA approved yesterday. I was in the same position as you with debts of up to 29K, a reasonable job etc but could not keep up with payments to my creditors as last year I was on maternity leave for 6 months and failed to keep up with my bills. I called around a few companies and was just confused because quite a few of them seemed very pushy and too commercial and also required an upfront fee between £600 - 800 which if you are in debt you cant afford to pay. I eventually settled on a small family company who I found very helpful. There we no upfront fees, and within two weeks they had forwarded to me all the relevant paperwork for me to sign before arranging a creditors meeting. All in all the procedure took about 4/5 weeks from initial contact. With regards to choosing the right company bear in mind that if they charge an upfront fee then they might say you that you can spread it over two months, but that means that those are two months where no work is being done on your case, and on top of charging the upfront fee, they will also claim their fees from your monthly contribution so be wary. I believe that I was lucky to come across the company I eventually used and will be paying £300 a month as that is the amount I had available after all essential expenses.

Personally I feel that an IVA is the best thing I have ever done and I will be able to sleep at night without worrying about telephone calls, threatining letters and so forth. In fact now I can answer my phone without waiting for the answering machine to pick up!!!

Here's to getting rid of debt and good health!

If you need the name of the company I used then reply to this post and I will give you my email address.

Hope this is useful.

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:35 am
by kassileigh
Hi Batawi,
I am interested in the IP you used as it's the route I am hoping to go.
Could you please tell me who it is you've used?
Thanks,
kassileigh

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:27 pm
by Oliver
Hi Graham

Given that I know relatively little about your situation except that you have debt which you need to sort out, I thought I would give you a brief overview of the solutions open to you:

1. Informal Repayment Plan
This is an agreement with each of your creditors to reduce the amount you pay to each of them to fit within a budget you can afford. The advantage of this is that you start to repay your creditors in a sensible managed way and stop making things worse by robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Although on the face of it, this solution sounds good, there are some significant drawbacks. Firstly it is likely to take you much longer to repay your debts than would otherwise have been the case. Also, the solution is not legally binding. Therefore there is no guarantee that further interest charges will be frozen.

If you have the time (and generally a very thick skin) you can negotiate an informal payment plan with your creditors yourself. However, this can be very difficult and time consuming. However, don’t despair. You can get free help by contacting either your local Citizens Advice Bureau or the CCCS (Consumer Credit Counselling Service) – www.cccs.co.uk


2. IVA
Where your total debt exceeds £18,000, a better solution may be to consider an IVA (Individual Voluntary Arrangement). This is a more formal, legally binding way of dealing with your debt. It allows you to make an offer to settle your debts with your creditors over a 5 year period (no longer than a standard unsecured loan). Further interest and charges are frozen by law and you make just one monthly payment based on what you can afford. At the end of 5 years, whatever debt is outstanding will be written off legally thus leaving you debt free to turn over a new leaf.

However, in order to undertake an IVA, you must be able to make a minimum monthly payment to your creditors of c£300. This may be reduced if you are a homeowner. However, if this is the case then as part of your IVA you will normally have to release equity from your home. In addition, if you enter into an IVA and then are unable to make your agreed payments, you could risk being made bankrupt.

3. Bankruptcy
If you have little income in order to make any kind of monthly payment to your creditors and no definite view as to when this might change, then the only way you can solve your debt problem for good is to declare Bankruptcy. In doing this, the Court will take away from you the responsibility of paying your debts. You will normally be bankrupt for 12 months. After this time, any unpaid debt will be written off and you will be able to turn over a new leaf, debt free (although you might have to make payments towards your debt to the court for up to 3 years). If you rent your property and have no valuable assets (e.g. an expensive car) it is very unlikely that the Court will require you to give up any of your goods.

The significant downside to bankruptcy is that if you have property, then the Court has the right to take such an asset from you and sell it for the benefit of the creditors. If you are a property owner, you must ensure you take further advice before deciding to declare yourself bankrupt!

The route you choose will depend on a number of things including your disposable income (the amount you can afford to pay your creditors), if you are a home owner, the type of job you have and importantly, which solution you are most comfortable with.

As Batawi rightly says, if you are considering an IVA, then you need to choose the company you use very carefully. There are a number of firms who specialise in IVAs. Thomas Charles is one of the smaller ones. I believe (although I would say it) that you are better off with a smaller company. They will have time to review your circumstances in depth with you, will complete all the paperwork for you (and there is a lot of it) and normally arrange a face to face meeting for you. This is criticall as an IVA is a really serious step. If you enter into it in the wrong way (ie based on payments that you can not afford) then it could fail down line and you may be facing bankruptcy. Often, larger companies are so busy that they are unable to give the personal service required.

The bottom line is that you need to speak to someone who can discuss your situation with you and give you a balanced view. I hope this helps.

If you would like further information about IVAs or other debt solutions, please feel free to contact us.

James Falla
www.thomascharles.com

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:43 pm
by ClearDebt
Dear Graham,

James has taken time to make a really useful post here, which will help any enquirer to understand their options more fully. However, I'd like to take issue with a couple of points.

First, whilst CCCS do have a very good reputation, and I'm sure almost all of the advice they give is good, we have recently come across a couple of cases where they have advised someone to go into a debt management plan who, it appears, would be very much better off in an IVA. I described these in a recent post here:

http://www.iva-info-uk.org.uk/forum/top ... OPIC_ID=91

Also, I think it is worth noting that the lower limit of debt required to put forward an IVA is much lower than the £18,000 mentioned by James (ClearDebt can arrange IVAs with debtors who have anything over £7,500 of debt - though it would be unusual for that to be "best advice" at that level), that the period of an IVA is usually 5 years, but it can be more or less, and that we have had success with a number of arrangements where the monthly payment has been less than £300.

The lower debt limit for IVAs is really set by the level of fees IVA providers charge the creditors from the payments the debtor can afford to put into the IVA. The higher the fees, the higher the level of debt must be befor ethe creditors see what they think is an adequate return.

All the best,

Andrew Smith


ClearDebt
www.cleardebt.co.uk

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:33 pm
by ClearDebt
Just in case a misunderstanding arises here.... ClearDebt does not charge upfront fees. Nor do most IVA providers.

Having said that, Kassileigh, always ask what the fees are: First they may make a difference to creditor's initial attitudes to the arrangement and they may also (if high) encourage creditors to look even more closely at your spending and possibly to ask for higher payments from you.

I would suggest that shopping around is now beginning to become worthwhile - certainly a few more people seem to be doing it.

All the best,

Andrew



ClearDebt
www.cleardebt.co.uk

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:55 pm
by Oliver
Hi Kassileigh

I fully agree with Andrew regarding informal payment plans and the CCCS. The problem with an Informal plans is that you have to repay all of your debt and there is no guarantee that interest will be frozen. This means that if you use an informal plan, almost certainly it will take many years to repay the debt and solve your problem. 99 times out of 100 I would advise an IVA or indeed bankruptcy before I suggested an informal plan was the answer.

It is worth noting that the CCCS are a registered charity. This means that they legitimately help people implement informal payment plans for free. However, as with all charities, they do not run on thin air. Someone donates money to keep them running. In the case of the CCCS this is the creditors themselves.

Given this, the CCCS seems to naturally err towards the use of informal payment plans (perhaps because using these routes, the creditors (who fund them and therefore must have some weight) will hope to be repaid in full.

As with Andrew, we have seen many instances at Thomas Charles where people have been advised by the CCCS to carry out informal payment plans. However a year of monhtly payments down the line, credit card interest has not been frozen and the debts are higher then when the plan initally started.

You can access Video Clips giving additional information about IVAs at:
http://www.thomascharles.com/interview_ ... an_iva.asp

If you would like more information about IVAs, other debt solutions, or just want to arrange an informal chat, please visit us at www.thomascharles.com.

Best Regards
James Falla
www.thomascharles.com

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:56 pm
by Oliver
Andrew

Perhaps the CCCs and its effectiveness could be another interesting topic for one of our debates....?

You can access Video Clips giving additional information about IVAs at:
http://www.thomascharles.com/interview_ ... an_iva.asp

If you would like more information about IVAs, other debt solutions, or just want to arrange an informal chat, please visit us at www.thomascharles.com.

Best Regards
James Falla
www.thomascharles.com

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:01 am
by ClearDebt
James, i agree - like you, we've seen cases where CCCS involvement leads to increased, rather than reduced debts; i think we might add the needed pinch of salt if we could just get journalists, and others to think of them as "creditor-funded" debt advisors, rather than simply define them as a charity.

Regards,


Andrew

ClearDebt
www.cleardebt.co.uk

Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:49 pm
by sean
My thoughts on this matter are contained in this response to a question on the Myvesta forum.

See: http://myvesta.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=58

Kind regards

Sean
http://www.myvesta.org.uk

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:40 pm
by ClearDebt
There is a really interesting Debt Blog on the BBC website at the moment, where the writer is dealing with CCCS. Sadly, it looks as if CCCS are in on the joke - iI wonder whether things would be different if the journalist's identity had been hidden?

In any case it makes interesting reading. Find it here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5075122.stm

All the best,

Andrew Smith

ClearDebt
www.cleardebt.co.uk

Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:12 am
by accgroup
Great post cleardebt, Perhaps people should blog on this site?

AccumaGroup
http://www.accumagroup.com - One of the UKs leading debt and insolvency advice firms with over 200 employees.

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 7:50 pm
by Oliver
I agree that it would be interesting to get more views from people who are currently in IVAs. How are they getting on? Are people generally finding the solution is benefiting them? Are there many horror stories.

I hope we get one or two posts which can give some insights here

You can access Video Clips giving additional information about IVAs at:
http://www.thomascharles.com/interview_ ... an_iva.asp

If you would like more information about IVAs, other debt solutions, or just want to arrange an informal chat, please visit us at www.thomascharles.com.

Best Regards
James Falla
www.thomascharles.com

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:58 pm
by Martin
I arranged my IVA with help from CCCs. They outlined my options very clearly and then put me in touch with my IP(Grant Thornton). Never felt under any pressure to choose a particular scheme and thought CCCS advisor quite knowledgable and extremely helpful in preparing a budget. Possibly my only doubt is that Grant Thornton were the only IP that they offered. Possibly its a bit of pot luck with CCCS depending on the advisor you get. Having made an enquiry again a few weeks ago, some of their call centre staff are better trained than others.

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:29 pm
by gizmo
We initially approached CCCS who recommended a Debt Management Programme. However, we have a very high level of debt and we were not advised at all about IVA's. We were told about bankruptcy but we didn't want to go down that road as we would be unable to work. When a creditor refused their offer they would write and tell us but then the CCJ blue forms started to arrive followed ultimately by a statutory demand. i rang them about the stat demand as I was in a blind panic and was told not to worry the creditor was just trying to put pressure on. I had to tell them what a stat demand was and the implications of it as the person I spoke to didn't know. They told me they would contact the creditor and then rang me to say that no they wouldn't do that I had to do it myself. I looked up info about IVAs on the internet and after speaking to several companies chose Thomas Charles. With hindsight now the advice we had from CCCS wasn't good. Our overall debt level has increased as many refused to stop interest and charges and if it hadn't been for the stat demand being served on me I would have been none the wiser about an IVA. I feel we have wasted 6 months of time and payments as a consequence. I am sure that in most cases their advice is excellent but it didn't help at all in our case. I think it is very important to explore all potential options before entering into a DMP. TC have been brilliant - I only contacted them just over a week ago and my papers are with the IP now - they understood the urgency of the stat demand and have dealt with everything very speedily and professionally. I'm not in any way saying don't use the CCCS, just make sure you are able to consider all options.