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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:13 pm
by DebtDummy
I took this off the sister site for bankruptcy. I am still speechless.

Bailiffs free to enter homes

Bailiffs are set to get sweeping powers to break into homes and seize goods if people fall behind on credit card bills.


The move would leave tens of thousands at risk of finding their doors kicked down and TVs and computers seized.

The Government proposals have been condemned by the charity Citizens Advice, which warned of an epidemic of intimidation and damage.

The charity is concerned that bailiffs are already largely a law unto themselves, using threats and menacing tactics to ensure debtors pay up.

Many levy huge and questionable collection charges which force people deeper into debt. But under the Tribunals, Courts and Enforcement Bill - receiving its second Commons reading today - they will be given the power to break in to domestic premises and enforce consumer credit debts, including credit card bills, which are the subject of a County Court Judgment.

It is not even clear whether the householder will need to be in at the time. That will form part of secondary legislation.

At present, only certain enforcement officers - notably those pursuing magistrates court fines - have powers to break in. Bailiffs enforcing County Court Judgments can enter a property only if the householder lets them or they find an open window or unlocked door.

Personal debt in Britain has now reached an all-time high of £1.3 trillion after a spending and borrowing boom fuelled by banks recklessly offering high credit limits to almost anyone.

Over the last three years there have been a number of suicides of desperate borrowers. In February last year 47-year-old Ian Beech, a father of two, killed himself on the day the family home was due to be repossessed.

Citizens Advice fears the new powers for bailiffs could lead to more such tragedies. It says evidence from its network of bureaux has shown that intimidation, harassment and excessive fee-charging by bailiffs are commonplace.

Analysis of 500 cases showed that almost two-thirds of bailiffs were guilty of harassment or intimidation, 40 per cent misrepresented their powers of entry, almost half levied unfair fees and a quarter threatened the debtor with imprisonment.

Chief executive David Harker said: 'Bailiffs have an appalling track record of abusing their existing powers against vulnerable people. They are often abusive and aggressive and use threats of violence and prison to pressurise people into paying lump sums they cannot afford.'

He added: 'Bailiff law is complex, confusing and long overdue for reform. This Bill was a perfect opportunity to modernise the law and end abuse once and for all. Instead it gives bailiffs greater powers without proper regulation - a recipe for abuse on an unprecedented scale.

'It is a scandal and a disgrace that six years after the Government made a commitment to bring in independent regulation, the misery and abuse continues.'

Citizens Advice is calling on the Government to include clear safeguards in the Bill to ensure forced entry is a last resort.

It should be employed only where it can be shown that the debtor is not a vulnerable person and that non-payment is the result of wilful or culpable neglect.

The charity is also pressing for independent regulation of bailiffs in the proposed legislation. The Debt on our Doorstep Coalition, a group of churches, charities and debt advice experts, also opposes giving bailiffs a right to break in.

A spokesman said: 'Bailiffs often act in unacceptable ways towards debtors who, for the most part, are incapable of paying the debts in question.'

SOURCE: Sean Poulter, Daily Mail
5 March 2007

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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:19 pm
by scaredkez
hi DD its very frightening isn't it i posted something similar a couple of weeks ago when i read it
kerri

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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:26 pm
by DebtDummy
I still can't find my voice. Thank goodness my fingers can still do the talking. Well, forced entry by a bailiff is now the in vogue or will be in vogue. Hmmphf! All I can say is they better beware of the surprised debtor who clonks him/her over the head with their anti-bailiff caveman sized club!Ha!

And the baillifs should also be concerned about tripping over a bunch of pink and pretty debtor helmets(I own several)strategically strewn across a just waxed floor; and landing on their unethical bailiff bums!

Goodness! If we debtors all band together the bailliffs would have to enter our houses like Tom Cruise did in Mission Impossible 1. Ha!
Ahhh, yes, I hear the theme song now. Dum dum dum dee dum dum...Debtdummy has you...on the run run.Ha!

Good grief we live in the 21st century. What's next the debtor's rack?
At this rate the Poorhouses may be popular where gruel would be the only food served. Why does the question,'' Please, Sir, may I have some more,'' repeatedly come to mind?



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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:34 pm
by DebtDummy
kerri, my sister in debt, what is this world coming to?
I see them preying on already scared out of their wits debtors. This will cause problems, severe financial problems in a population of people who are already struggling. Will they deny themselves and possibly their families food? Will they deny themselves utilities?

I do wonder if the petitioning for bankruptcies will increase once this filthy rag is in place?

I also can see some debtors taking the law into their own hands in dealing with a bailiff who forced his/her entry into their homes. Scarey!

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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:39 pm
by scaredkez
i agree wholeheartedly with you DD in the post i posted it said they were even entitiled to take the family pet!!!
of course people are going to start taking law into their own hands, how do we know who it is if they force entry!!
well lets get our petitions done before we end up in the poor house lol
kerri

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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:16 pm
by thebear29uk
Hi DD and Kerri

Do you know when this is expected to become law. I understand it had its second reading today. What's the timeframe until it has passed all the readings and is enforcable.

Dave

Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:19 pm
by Skippy
This is really worrying. I'm at home on my own at the moment, and if someone broke in they would be met with whatever weapon came to hand (Dave's Chelsea mug will do!). Seriously it's scary. Also, when they have broken into my home and they have a look around they will find a nice plasma TV - not mine though. Bought by Dave on his credit card with receipts to prove it. I presume they would take it and ask questions later?

Anyway DD, Kerri, Bear, I'll see you in the nearest debtors prison!

Onwards and upwards!!!
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:23 pm
by DebtDummy
bear, I do not know the timeframe, but I will have a surf on the official government site and have a looksie.

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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:30 pm
by freelili
Can you believe this is happening in the 21st century? Can you imagine all the Ronnie and Reggie baliff firms springing up? The employee's threatening to eat your children, if you dont let them perform open wallet surgery? Never mind debtor's prison skip, beachy head has never looked so good. The likes of MBNA will have a field day, IVA's will be a thing of the past. I can almost see the documentaries now......... and the coffins. Well I always said I didnt believe in guns.........

LILY

Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:43 pm
by thebear29uk
Ladies

I think its safe to say that all our situations will have been dealt with legally and without future recourse by the time the bill is passed. But it is a concern for the future. If interest rates keep rising and utility bills and council tax more people living "on the edge of debt" will be forced into insolvency and be easy prey for unscrupulous thugs masquerading as bailiffs. I had my "pay review" last week. No increase for the 2nd year running but my line manager informed me that at least we weren't having a pay cut. Oh well thats alright then.

Regards

Dave

Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:45 pm
by Skippy
Don't you just love it when they say that Dave? I work for an American company and they cannot understand that the cost of living is a lot higher here. Mind you, it could be worse - if work is slow there they send the staff home with no pay for a couple of weeks!

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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:55 pm
by scaredkez
i know what you mean we will get 3% which equates to about 20p an hour which is about 1.60 per day what can you do with that, dave i am not sure on the timeframe but they reckoned that it would be quite soon, i really can't see it myself can you imagine what is going to happen if this comes into force, as the others said you are going to have the ronnies and reggies jumping on the bandwagon if only just for kicks, i really would like to think that the government wouldn't pass this sort of thing but hey ho we will just have to wait and see and hopefully all our problems will be sorted by then
kerri

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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:00 pm
by thebear29uk
The other thing to remember is that the credit card companies can't send them round. If I read it correctly they would be acting on CCJs. So at least you'd know if it had reached that stage.

Dave

Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:14 pm
by freelili
Yes, thats how I read it bear but the fear of a CCJ and ronnie and reggie would be another weapon and a very scary one. How many people will actually know this when they read 'court action' on the threat letters? I was terrified of BR before this site,how many more out there will be? It'll be hi ho off to beachy head for me.
Our problems might be sorted by then but picture are still offering their loans and MBNA are still pushing their death cards. I find this baliff thing really ,really scary already.
Cannot wait 'til all this is over for me.

LILY

Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:30 pm
by scaredkez
no they reckon they can act on behalf of credit card companies with out ccj will look into this
kerri

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