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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:52 pm
by DebtDummy
I found this article on the internet and thought it may be of some interests to those of us seeking IVAs. Google: The Insolvency Exchange to read the full article.

It also explains why certain creditors demand 40p/£ just to be considered for an IVA. One of my creditors is HSBC and did just that.


Banks to seal debt escape route
Dan Atkinson, Mail on Sunday
12 November 2006
Reader comments (5)

Thousands of people trying to escape some or most of their debts could be stopped in their tracks by a new centralised service offered to banks and other lenders.

Rather than enter into an Individual Voluntary Arrangement, in which borrowers propose to pay back a slice of their debts and have the rest written off, many would have arrangements rejected and be told to pay back everything they owe.

IVAs were introduced in 1986 as an alternative to bankruptcy. Their use has grown rapidly in recent years as household debts have soared and because of a wider awareness that they exist.

HSBC and HBoS have already signed up with the 'insolvency exchange', and other finance groups are in talks with its parent group, debt-management firm TDX.

The banks will outsource decisions over IVA proposals to the exchange, which believes it will spot 'rogue' insolvency practitioners who push people into inappropriate IVAs to pocket fees of £7,000 or more a time. It believes about 10% of IVAs approved by lenders ought to be rejected.

With HSBC and HBoS on board, it could throw out more than 2,400 IVA proposals a year. If all lenders sign up to the service, that would rise to 3,800.

Last week's interest rate rise is likely to add to the huge debt burden being carried by people who have overborrowed.

Lenders have been criticised for providing too much easy credit and for being too willing to approve IVAs. A much more rigorous approach has been promised by TDX.

The banks themselves became alarmed after IVAs soared to 12,228 in the third quarter of this year, a 118% increase on the same period last year.

All I have left is my humour. :)

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:24 pm
by freelili
This is scary, most of my debt is with HSBC, on the other hand would they not force more people into bankruptcy and therefore get much less? Furthermore an Individual voluntry arrangement would lose its individuality if there is standard acceptance/rejection wouldnt it? Therefore forcing those on lower incomes, trying to find a solution into bankruptcy and homelessness. what would happen to the creditors that didnt bother to vote?

Over the years I have paid so much interest and overraft charges to HSBC. I hope my IVA gets up and running soon before this bandwagon is too far away.

LILY

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:14 pm
by Storm
The Insolvency Exchange examine the individual proposal in a consistent analytical manner. It isn't simply a case of returning a pence in the £ figure but your proposal actually having a real prospect of completing.

They are paid on performance so they collect there income over the lifetime of an IVA and won't recommend acceptance of an IVA that they don't think will succeed.

A number of comments on this forum relate to inconsistent processing and administration delays when arranging creditors meetings ...... this will change with there solution in that the application can be processed within a matter of hours on the exchange.

This is one of many initiatives being developed by the credit industry.

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:49 pm
by Mr Loadsofbills
You mention that the Insolvency Exchange examine individual proposals in a consistent analytical manner and that they are looking at them from the point of having a real prospect of completing.

However, it seems from the forums that I've been reading that they try to get as much money out of you that you simply don't have.

In the end the IVA fails and nobody gets anything except the IP and the Official Receiver.

That seems a rather flawed initiative. Or is an initiative to "teach people a lesson" so that they don't end up that way again?

More bills than pence.

Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 11:06 am
by freelili
Maybe I am not understanding what I am reading but my point is; If HSBC only accept 40p /£ return and other creditors do the same then Someone who is only able to offer 37p etc based on their individual circumstances and 17p in bankruptcy. Then IVA's will only be available to a certain section of the public.

On the other hand if IP's are putting through IVA's that are destined to failure, just to make money then its a good thing, and should be prevented, right?

LILY