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Post by smr » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:26 am
Hi Janot
FYI - I am a HR Director.
Your company cannot change contracts unilaterally. They must invoke a consultation process to do so or they are in breach of contract and you would have a successful claim against them for this. When consulting they must provide legitimate business justification for the changes.
If they do change them regardless you cannot be forced to sign a new contract and it will be up to the company to decide what action would follow in this case - DONT offer to resign.

After this ask to have an informal discussionwith your manager or your HR department and explain the situation to them - they may be understanding and the change may only apply to new employees coming into the company or employees subject to CCJ/BR/IVA after a certian date.
If you can't resolve this informally, you will need to obtain in writing from them what the changes will be, why the changes are being made, who they affect, when they a proposing to bring them in and what process they intend on following to obtain workforce agreement.
As you clearly do not agree with the proposed changes, you would need to raise a greivance in writing to your line manager - there is a set procedure they have to follow in dealing with this if they haven;t got one of their own. If you are not happy with the outcome of the greivance investigation/hearing you must appeal against the decision to the highest level of management. If after all of this you are still not satisfied you may have no alternative other than to resign - at this point your leaving will become constructive dismissal. The reason being is two-fold, firstly they have unilaterally changed your terms and conditions of work and secondly applied a terms that makes it impossible to carry out your normal duties, even though the change has no bearing on your capability to do your job.
I know this seems long winded, but if you don't go down this route and then end up taking your employer to tribunal, you will need to be able to demostrate that you tried to resolve this matter informally, then using the correct procedure but to no avail.
I really hope you can sort this out informally, this type of behaviour from some companies is all too common - not all, but some.
Hope this helps - post if you want to ask anymore questions
 
 

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Post by MelanieGiles » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:50 am
What a great post from smr - and further indication of the power of this forum to bring professionals together from all spheres of operation to offer advice and support to all forum members.

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Post by smr » Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:04 am
Thanks Melanie
As well as being a HR Director I am also in rather a lot of debt, along with my husband, who as a result of our joint debt nearly wasn't my husband anymore. We are luckier than alot on this forum, we have enough equity in our house to clear our debts, but we can't afford to remortgage to the value of them. We have decided to sell-up and move to a smaller house with a lower mortgage and pay off our debts, so just waiting for the house to sell.
We had a really tough 2007 which saw two suspended possession orders from secured lenders, me losing my job (although I have now got a new one) and bills and debts spiralling out of control. My husband is self employed and so income each month sometimes only meant we could eat, let alone pay any bills or debts.
This forum has provided me with information and guidance when I have needed it, a laugh when I was down and the spirit to continue when I I thought the world was against me.
So for me to offer whatever small bits of advice that I can to fellow members is not a big price to pay - I am happy to give my time.
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Post by CoverItAll » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:22 am
Hi Admin

At present the Forum lists only Experts whose area of expertise is directly relevant to debt. smr's posting, in my opinion one of the most empowering and helpful posts I have read on here, vividly demonstrates how much more is on offer to Forum Members from fellow Forum Members.

How about expanding the Expert list, or at very least having a separate list of Forum Members ashowing their area of expertise.

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Post by Emily » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:59 am
These says especially for commercial firms they pay little or no attention to your rights and unless you get legal with them they ask you sign anything. Consultation in the Public sector with Unions will give you better rights but even that is been trampled upon
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Post by Adam Davies » Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:31 pm
Hi
Thanks SMR,great to have someone of your calibre on the forum.
John
We have this thread ongoing at the moment and I will try and package it soon for easier reference
http://www.iva.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6609
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Post by janot » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:26 pm
Thanks Smr,

your post has made me feel alot brighter, I will take you up on that offer of more advise once the contracts have been given out. not sure when this will be as in the meeting they just said this year.

Again thanks to you all. This site is fantastic.

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Post by smr » Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:53 am
Hi Janot
Once you get your contract I will be happy to look over it for you and compare it to your current one. Also, if you want to send it to me directly save posting it here I'm OK for ADMIN to give you my email address.
Glad I could give you some help.
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Post by cr15py » Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:59 am
Hi Janot

Just want to say that I think what your company is doing is highly unfair, and hopefully with the help of the fantastic people on this forum, you will come out the other side with good news. [:)]

Chris

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Post by carlmcmullen » Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:52 pm
OMG... i dont think they can do this.

An IVA is anything is showing you are a responsible person and dealing with your debt, how could anybody put you down for this?

Dont sign anything and phone ACAS they will give you the best advice possible.

It is so wrong and i think you have a good argument.

Good luck, fingers crossed

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Post by Adam Davies » Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:23 pm
Hi
Janot I will send you SMRs email address
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Post by janot » Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:34 pm
Thanks to every one for your support. will keep you posted to what the out come is.
janot
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