Because I receive benefits I cannot get an IVA

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Post by plasticdaft » Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:59 am
captain sensible wrote:

I am totally against people on benefits entering IVAs,

I think it is morally wrong to use public-funded, tax-payer\'s money, ie. benefits, to pay over to private creditors

Benefits are there to enable people to survive

Just my opinion
But is it right for the same benefit money to be used to fund cigarettes and alcohol purchases?
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Post by ladyc » Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:01 am
Melanie I'm sorry for what I said to you as I know you've helped many people.
I felt that you were talking down to me and I think that is totally unfair.
All of those people on here have had what I've had but they had light at the end of the tunnel with an IVA.
My misery has just gone on and on in spite of doing all that I could.
Like I said I'm not an irresponsible borrower and always paid plus I have always paid my agreed amounts and more.
I feel I've already lost everything. I've sold all that I have in decent clothes, jewellery and furniture to give to these people. I feel they just want blood.
Plus I begrudge when they sell on to debt collectors for a pittance why not let me pay it off at that rate?
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Post by captain sensible » Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:03 am
\"But is it right for the same benefit money to be used to fund cigarettes and alcohol purchases?\"

bit of a sweeping statement there, don\'t you think?

Ladyc: have you looked into bankruptcy? I think DMPs are ok but only as a short-term measure, whilst you considering your options
 
 

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Post by ladyc » Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:11 am
By the way Captain Sensible I paid in for any benefits I get.
DMP's are advertised as a long term debt solution. I was doing all I could to shorten that. Already my creditors have had a good percentage paid back to them. It seems the more you pay them the more pressure they put on.
Anyway, don't be so judgemental and don't say that my benefits come out of the public funds, they are what I paid in for!
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Post by plasticdaft » Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:13 am
captain sensible wrote:

\"But is it right for the same benefit money to be used to fund cigarettes and alcohol purchases?\"

bit of a sweeping statement there, don\'t you think?
Ladyc: have you looked into bankruptcy? I think DMPs are ok but only as a short-term measure, whilst you considering your options
I didnt make a statement I asked a question which you havent answered!!
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Post by Skippy » Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:16 am
Can we all calm down a bit before this gets out of hand?
 
 

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Post by plasticdaft » Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:26 am
I am as cool as a cumcumber Skippy!

What I meant by my question was that given that Captain S has pointed out that benefits are for people to survive,should luxuries be accessable to those receiving benefits?

The area I live in has a high proportion of single parents,yet they almost all manage to get to the pub more often than I can afford to,all have sky TV and mostly smoke like chimneys!!

Perhaps we are heading down a line thats not really for this site.

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Post by Skippy » Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:49 am
I completely understand where you're coming from Paul - our neighbours are a case in point!
 
 

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Post by ladyc » Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:51 am
Captain Sensible is talking about income support and lumping all benefits as this.
I think mine are no different to an insurance policy. You pay in for it and when you need it you take it.
It is not means tested and I'm not a scrounger.
My money is as good as anyone elses.
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Post by rayb » Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:52 am
I think we should lock this topic down now. Ladyc has her opinion as we all do and it is down to her what she decides to do and if we do not agree with it that is our right.

Ladyc I hope you find some peace soon and can get on with your life and put this nightmare behind you.
 
 

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Post by Skippy » Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:56 am
I agree Ray. This whole topic is going round in circles and has the potential to get out of hand.

This topic is now locked.
 
 

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Post by Adam Davies » Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:57 am
Hi
Skippy is correct to lock this topic before it gets out of hand, however it is an important area that needs debating in a civilised and non judgemental way. I have re-opened it so that we can continue the discussion but will lock it again if it becomes too heated.
My own view is that an IVA should be open to all, even if the income is just from benefits. Creditors lend on this basis so why should they not accept a debt solution on the same basis ?
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Post by plasticdaft » Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:07 pm
Very true Andy,its not like those on benefits find it impossible to obtain credit.
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Post by Adam Davies » Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:13 pm
Hi
It is not fair that someone has to enter a neverending DMP because they are on benefits when an IVA is more suitable.
As Size5 stated earlier it is possible to have IVAs agreed where income is benefit based, you just need to find an IP willing to propose it for you
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Post by Max » Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:16 pm
Plasticdaft - my husband had a samaritan client on benefits - the very minimum - all means tested - one of the client's children needed clothes so she went to a money lender - when my husband calculated the interest is was 1600%. Fortunately a solicitor, pro bono, has taken this on board - not quite on the subject but an indication of the suffering some benefits people have to pass through. Just for the record I believe a benefit recipient should have an IVA if possible and of benefit to all involved. J
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