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Post by Max » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:51 am
Your reply illustrates my point exactly - you were honest and thus did not clear out the account! Now get your letter off to Mandleson or better still become an MP - we could do with some honest ones!!!
 
 

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Post by single_mum » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:53 am
You're not the first to say that to me! Expenses made me so angry I was near to doing an Esther Rantzen!

However, I am going to go and have some lunch, and a cuppa - and start preparing for my job interview tomorrow - its a big one!!!!
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Post by Max » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:54 am
All the very best for the interview - hope it works out for you. Bye now!
 
 

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Post by single_mum » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:56 am
if I get this - there'll be an enormous post in capitals!!! Bye!
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Post by Skippy » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:56 am
I'm not saying that or anyone else are criminals, just that a year is nothing when you are having a lot of money written off. I (and no doubt many others) lived beyond my means and by the time I realised the mess I was in it was too late. I was BR for a year and it wasn't pleasant, but I survived it.

Yes, I have learned my lesson, but there will always be people who won't.
 
 

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Post by Max » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:59 am
I know Skippy - just you continue to try to help them - your straight talking will do them alot of good. Now I am going to take the puppy out.
 
 

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Post by Michael Peoples » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:14 pm
The Enterprise Act 2002 allows for the different treatment of bankrupts and is a much better system than the one it replaced. Bear in mind that you can now have a bankruptcy restriction order[BRO] for up to fifteen years which is a severe sanction to be used against those who abuse the system.

The new system differentiates between the bankrupt builder whose main contractor went bust and the guy playing internet poker or travelling the world with creditor's money and no intention of paying it back. Early discharge for the builder and BROs for the other two.
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Post by kallis3 » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:16 pm
I know I'm not BR, but I don't see any reason why you shouldn't remain bankrupt for the 12 months. It's not a long time in the overall scheme of things - much shorter than an IVA.

It would also simplify things for the OR.
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Post by Michael Peoples » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:36 pm
Yes but Jan if there are no assets to realise and the debtor has complied with everything asked of him/her the OR will be happy to close it down early rather than have it lying around gathering dust for the remainder of the twelve month period.
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Post by Skippy » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:46 pm
What about if there is no IPA in place? If someone has no IPA it would give the OR more chance to impose one if their circumstances change.

I'm not trying to upset anyone or be controversial, just trying to understand how it all works!
 
 

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Post by Adam Davies » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:55 pm
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Early discharge or no early discharge makes very little difference to the majority of people. I can see company directors wanting discharge as early as possible so that they can start again. Skippy makes a valid point about an IPO, the OR would have the full twelve months to set one if early discharge was stopped.
Interesting that anyone with an early discharge is kept on the Insolvency Register for three months from the discharge date.
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Post by Skippy » Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:02 pm
I know someone who went BR but had spent on cards until just before the BR and as they didn't work didn't have an IPA but still got ED! This and the programme is what got me thinking!
 
 

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Post by Adam Davies » Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:13 pm
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I am sure that OR workload means that ED is preferred.
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Post by johnnybriggs » Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:38 am
The DRO will take tens of thousands of "unprofitable" "little" bankruptcies out of the system.

However in a DRO, if your circumstances change near to the end of the year - it can be extended for 3 months in order for you to come to an arrangement with your creditors.

(Some might say this is is a way of making it a lead generating source for intermediaries...)

There is already a mechanism in place for this in bankruptcy, the fast track voluntary arrangement. I think this was the idea behind the FTVA procedure but it just never got used.
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Post by Fugazi » Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:51 am
What i'd like to see as far as IVA's are concerned is an independant body that can look at individual cases where the proposer (& IP) feel the creditors are being unresonable with clauses the want to add. They should have the power to force creditors to accept the IVA 'as is' if it is a fair reflection of the debitors ability to pay.

As far as BR is concerned then the OR should be the one to decide when, or if ED is allowed.
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