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Post by e.h » Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:42 pm
Hi there

On the subject of companies buying your property and allowing you to rent them back, I saw an ad on TV today for UK Housing Alliance. They claim that they will buy your property for the "Full Market Value" and rent it back to you for an interim period of 10 years, after which, presumably, they will allow you to buy it back from them.

I am aware that this is sometimes the only option open to some people if you don't want to lose your home (me and my husband looked at this route ourselves before we went into our IVA) and just wondered about the validity of UK Housing Alliance's claims and credentials because they seem sincere in their "guarantees". We have all been warned by the experts on this forum to think very seriously about this option as there are lots of catches but wondered if UKHA are perhaps to be taken a little more seriously than other such companies? Any thoughts would be welcome.

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Post by mikebdomain » Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:48 pm
After all the bad press there are now a few companies that are proposing viable solutions. One of these seems to be ‘UK Housing alliance’ – but I would still like to read the small print and suggest everyone that is considering this route seeks independent legal advice.

There is a big shout at the moment for these companies to come under the regulation wing of the FSA.


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Post by ray_a » Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:51 pm
Not sure it would work if you are in an IVA anyway becaue you would need to have enough equity to clear the IVA!
 
 

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Post by e.h » Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:57 pm
Hi - yes I realise it wouldn't work whilst you were in an IVA but if people were in the pre-IVA/bankruptcy stages, it may just prove to be a lifeline. I just wanted some views on their credentials really, as they do sound genuine which is refreshing after these companies have had so much bad press.

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Post by mikebdomain » Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:02 pm
They are offering a different sort of deal than most - they will pay 100% of the properties valued amount.

But, 70% immediately and 30% at the end of the ten year tenancy. If you wish to stay in the property at the end of the 10 year tenancy, you have to sign another ten year tenancy. They will release the 30% at 10% for three years.


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Post by Andrew Graveson » Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:39 pm
Hello Liz,

I can only agree with Mike's posts and warnings. I remain sceptical about these schemes.

They're paying for the TV advertising somehow. Not cheap.

Legal advice is crucial before anyone commits.

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Post by mikebdomain » Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:53 pm
Ray (or one of the other IVA experts)

A couple of hypothetical question:

In a situation where a person with an IVA is going to be repossessed due to none payment of their mortgage or secured charges, would an IP / creditors be likely to stop a ‘buy and rent back’, if the person could not make a F&F, but agreed to contribute any equity raised to the IVA?

Or: if a person found they could no longer meet their mortgage payments, due to affordability and their IVA payments were already at the lowest they could be. Would an IP / creditors be likely to stop a ‘buy and rent back’, if the person could not make a F&F, but agreed to contribute any equity raised to the IVA?


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Post by MelanieGiles » Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:58 pm
No - so long as the new rental payments were similar to the mortgage payments allowed for in the IVA.

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Post by mikebdomain » Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:01 pm
Thanks Melanie

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Post by ray_a » Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:32 pm
Hi Mike

Interesting one!

When I looked at this 12 months ago I was told by my IP that I was selling an asset at a lower value than it was worth and that if I did this he would bankrupt me and recover the property.
My IVA did state that he would become my trustee if I went bankrupt.

I am fast coming to the conclusion that his response was not right and that perhaps I could have done this.
 
 

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Post by mikebdomain » Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:33 pm
Ray 12 months ago they were buying them up for about 55 to 80% depending on the deal you could get and the forced sale value, to be honest I think your IP was right. The buy and rent back schemes (although most of them are still a bit dodgy) are a lot different now.

Although in my hypothetical question I am talking about last resorts, where there really is no other option.

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Post by MelanieGiles » Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:36 pm
If they are genuinely buying at 100% there can be no issue here - and whilst it does seem to be an extreme solution, I can't help feeling about poor Mish. He has not posted for a few days, but this sort of thing might be a lifeline to him so long as the rent is affordable.

Hope he is listening in and may make some enquiries.

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Post by Andrew Graveson » Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:37 pm
Hi Mike,

By what regulation would the 30% to be paid in ten years time be held in a proper insured client account?

I suspect, as you seem to, that the market probably contains some sensible players now with a little more credibility and ethics. But who are they?

It's hard to judge who's who.

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Post by JulianSampson » Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:25 am
Interesting on this one.

Firstly I agree with Mike's advice that historically an IP would have good to cause to suggest a sale at undervalue and even in extreme cases a misrepresented credit bargain.

Secondly for every "reputable" scheme operator (and I say this bearing in mind they are not regulated) I see 2/3 new ones a month of varying sizes. I act for a number of Lenders in repossessions and we get approached on a weekly basis by such companies asking for our data- and this is no new exercise. I remember being told by one in-house lawyer at a lender that she was asked a similar question about 5 years ago, and refused.

My view is that these schemes will benefit from self regulation immediately in a similar fashion to the equity release SHIP schemes which some of you will be aware of. They also went through a bad patch about 5-8 years ago but decided to set certain minimum advice standards. These standards impose very strict guidelines about who provides the advice and more importantly who should RECEIVE the advice.

Whatever happens to this market I should say that there is tremendous profit being made and this shouldnt be forgotten- none of these guys are doing this for charity. Not only do I suspect that 100% isnt quite 100% but I wonder if the 30% they retain will be based on current market value or value at the 10 year expiry? On top of this most BTL investors have to put up with low rental yields and length rent voids at the moment and these companies have a ready-made tenancy which I assume they also charge at a full rent notwithstanding the rental market is deflated.

And finally (sorry to ramble with no thread!) I wonder what their agreements look like? The SHIP agreements used to have onerous clauses on upkeep; revaluation; inspection and termination.......



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