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Post by Skippy » Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:37 pm
I don't mean this to sound harsh, but perhaps they ought to do something to target irresponsible borrowing as well.

As I've said before, the banks should never have lent me the money, but at no point was I forced to borrow it. I am responsible for my debts, I chose to get that first credit card when I was 18.

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Post by sonyse2t5 » Wed Nov 07, 2007 3:05 pm
I think any request for more CC borrowing should be followed with a risk assessment by lenders based on your card usage which is now tougher than it was, as the need for money soars.
Frequent cash advances, not paying for the full balances on time, late payments, spending of a couple of quid on CC are all now considered to be signs of a troubled card holder. So why do Banks need us to get to 20K nevermind 64K in the past to know that.

It begs answer from them as in PPI.
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Post by Adam Davies » Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:42 pm
Hi
I have always been against automatic credit card increases.Banks should invite you to increase your card limit and at the same time ask for an affordability test.
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Post by mike.s » Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:20 pm
Absolutely Andy! I am in serious debt, which is my fault and my burden to sort out, no I'm biting my lip at saying but. I started off with a much lower limit than I have, or rather did up until last month, I certainly didn't ask for a £46k limit, it just kept increasing and increasing month after month year after year, yes I know I didn't have to use it but (oops sorry it just came out) when your desperate, backs against the wall, things will get better, heads in the sand, kids need new shoes, Christmas, birthdays, food, bills, car repairs................... the flexiable enemy is there to help. Don't get me wrong I'm doing everything I can to pay back as much as I can, but when you get a letter off MBNA saying we are aware of your finacial difficulties one day and then the next a letter inviting you to take out another (seriously) you have got to ask what is going on. Since I stopped paying my minimum payments, and I am very, very worried about this as I am desperate to sort everything out, I have had three invites for credit cards. When you are so far in debt and lose all sense of reality, or rather bury your head further in the sand, in a frantic attempt to keep a normal life going you will use anything at your finger tips to keep going, and keep your heads above water for another month. As I say I am not blaming the card companies, I have built my debt, but (sorry there it is again) if the limit increases weren't there that big huge bump back to earth would happen much sooner and the debt wouldn't be as large. As I have found out over the last couple of weeks you can live without them, and for everything else (no there isn't Mastercard) there's do without until you can pay for it!
 
 

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Post by Skippy » Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:44 pm
Can I just say that I hope I didn't offend anyone with my comment about responsible borrowing - it really wasn't meant to upset anyone. I was speaking from my own experience rather than criticising anyone!

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Post by mike.s » Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:54 pm
Skippy from my point of view there is no way you could offend anyone, you have been such a huge help for me personally over the last few weeks. I don't know what I would have done without your help, support, and kind words, you are an absolute rock and I thank you from the bottom of my heart.
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Post by Skippy » Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:01 pm
Thanks Mike, I was worried that I'd opened my mouth and put my size 6's right in it! I hate the thought of offending anyone, although my mum reckons I'm one of the most tactless people she knows!

The banks kept increasing my credit limit and I just spent it, to start with on things I don't need (a lot of comfort spending) and at the end just to survive. Maybe if I'd known that help was out there I would have done something before I reached the grand total of £65k debts! It wouldn't be so bad if I actually had anything to show for it!

You are sounding so much more positive Mike and I'm really pleased. We all have our ups and downs and that's why this forum is so good - most of us have been in the same boat at some point so (unlike some other forums I look at!) no-one judges. Good luck with your house sale and F & F x

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Post by mike.s » Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:59 pm
Hey skippy, well mum's do know best, but I think you are one of the most thoughtful people I know and a great and reliable friend and I thank you for being there.
As for those credit limits they do (or did) seem to just keep increasing and while needs must (or if I'm honest in my case sometimes even when they didn't) it is all so easy to keep using them as a lifeline. It is clear that when you hit those limits and there is nothing else left and reality kicks in, thats when the head is given a helping hand and yanked out of the sand. It is obvious that moment of reality depends on when those limits are hit and when the head is lifted. It doesn't matter who you are, how good your job is, how much you earn, how much your house is worth, how much you owe, that gut wrenching feeling of sheer desperation and panic that sets in is the same feeling no matter who you are, why because we are all just human. Maybe if the same alarm that kicks in each month when you miss a payment rang a bit earlier (maybe years earlier) then some humans could reach for the help button a bit sooner.
 
 

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Post by iva.com » Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:47 am
Hi All,

I just want to say that I agree with Andy in that automatic increases in credit card limits should be stopped. Affordability tests for increased limits would be a sensible way of limiting credit card debts.

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Post by a06 » Thu Nov 08, 2007 11:32 am
i just wanted to jump in on this, my 1st post in someone else's topic, but i have strong feelings about this. yes i chose to get a CC at 18 and yes it was my actions that led to this increasing to over 25k but it frustrates me to see all these 'lifelines' being offered to people which just involve more debt and, crucially, more interest! i don't think an 18 year old can fully appreciate the concept of debt and debt management and should be subject to even more stringent checks when increasing the limits on cards, i mean i was a student working 16 hours a week, consistantly only clearing minimum payment and naively believing that the banks wouldn't be lending it to me if i couldn't afford it. maybe education in schools is the way forward??
 
 

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Post by sonyse2t5 » Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:33 pm
On a unsecured loan you can get no more than 25K. But on CC you can get upto 100K with no assets over time as the limit is UP as we have seen.

It would take somesome a fair bit of time to rack up 100K of CC debt -7 to 15 years as seen from the post on this forum - assuming there is no abuse of the card....lenders have at least 5 years of knowledge in how one operates their card(cannot pay it off) and do nothing and just up the limit as you count from 1K to 100K.

This is just not old fashion borrowing and lending. Its lending by a computer who loves to say YES now.
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Post by johnz » Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:42 pm
Personally I think that credit cards should not allow cash advances or cheque payments. (which is how I got into trouble with the credit cards - £30.00 here, £100.00 there). Also, have one lot of interest for transfers then another for spending is a bit silly. When you do a cash advance or transfer, the interest on those is left until last while the spending interest carries on as normal. So while you may think you're paying things off slowly but surely, the interest that is not being paid off is accumulating and accumulating, so it gets bigger and bigger. You get the picture.

On a plus side though, since being advised of my difficulties, my catalogues have now reduced my "available to spend" limit to a big fat ZERO (very good). But I'm still being sent "a new loan has been approved for you, just call this number quoting this reference" letters from other people. Um, HELLO!!! I can't afford to pay you what I already owe you. Why would I want an even bigger loan. Duh!!

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