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Post by kallis3 » Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:55 pm
We were initially told that we couldn't do an IVA as we had too much disposable income and had to do a DMP which was going to take us 20 years but we had no option at the time. We were with a fee paying firm and they were excellent, we had no hassle at all. We only went to Payplan as we found out they didn't make any charges and it was actually them that suggested the IVA. We actually pay less across to that than we were the DMP.

My only regret is that we didn't know enough about IVA's to speak to other companies and we might actually have been coming up to finishing this year rather than have an extra 18 months to go on top.

I found the forum shortly before our creditors meeting and do wished I'd have found it beforehand - my route could have been so much different.
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Post by Tina Shortland » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:02 pm
Well, well, well, after being out of action for a couple of days I am now catching up and following a mammoth hour and 10 minutes reading through this whole thread where do I start?! Apologies now for typos, we know I'm prone from time to time!

Like everyone on here I really value a good debate and good things can come from understanding differing views or clearing up misunderstandings. We are all aiming for the same goal which is to ensure that people needing help know where they can get it and receive the best advice possible. It is great having your input on here NEDCAB and your openness and willingness for two way feedback is just what we need. The CAB play a crucial role in people's lives giving them a place to go to for help and advice. It is rare someone has never heard of the CAB or know where their nearest one. I know personally from involvement with many different communities, many people see you in general as the One-stop-shop for help so it is vital each relevant sector can help the CAB be the link to the necessary facts and services that the public need. Of course, we speak on here in relation to the problems with debt but as a trained counsellor it is true for all areas of need. I just wish you could have more resources to allow there to be more offices and staff to increase your availability for the public...but then I am sure you would all like more help on that side too!

My overriding concern and bugbear in response to this whole debate is that vulnerable people are occaisionally being misled, at a time when they need clarity, support, objective advice and facts and they are left open to making wrong and detrimental decisions as a result of it. The misleading is in general by some media, some poorly trained advisors, some out of date websites, some organisations and unfortunately by some people who have themselves had bad experience and believe it would be the same for everyone else.

As a professional in the field there is nothing more frustrating or upsetting when a client comes to us with misinformation or 'half the picture' whch has left them confused and unnecessarily panicking, especially when it is too late to be able to rectify things for them. It seems more and more people do 'shop around' and do their research which is a good thing to ensure they are making the right decision but are still those that don't know to do this and take what they are first told to be the whole picture.

Ultimately, if a client needing help is listened to, treated with respect, has their sitiaution properly assessed, has all the options fully explained to them (whether they want to hear it or not), is given help to calculate a realistic living budget, is advised of the implications and next steps, is given time to think things through and is given a level of ongoing support that helps them along the way and addresses issues that come up then it is a good job done and that is what we should all be aiming for as the standard to achieve whoever we are.

I am frustrated by the misrepresentation and collective use of the term "fee paying companies". Speaking from one of these said companies I am personally extremely proud of the service we provide and the lengths we go to for not only our clients but those approaching us from elsewhere seeking help. And we are not alone - there are other companies, some on here, who have a similar approach to the service they provide. Do those that have a dim view of "fee charging companies" really know what services are being offered by some and that some of us give anything up to 18 hours a day direct access for clients including weekends just to be there for them if they need support or help.

I think anyone in contact with people looking for debt advice should give them unbiased places to visit to get help - comparison sites, forums such as this and others and let them know that services offered can vary and it has absolutely nothing to do with whether a fee is charged or not, it is down the individual organisation! Fees covered by the creditors are diferent to additional upfront fees so that should be made clear to clients so they understand what fees are covered by whom.

If more people knew that places like this forum existed and the level of support and help that is out there, then we would hear less and less of people ending up in worse situations and living a nightmare that could have been avoided after receiving bad advice.

Thats my ramble over and here is to moving forward together to ensure those needing help get it when and how they need it.
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Post by Foggy » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:47 pm
Tina !!! Phew !!!

Well ... in a nut shell. Over the past year and a half I have had a lot of contact with fellow insolvents working with many companies.

Both fee charging and charity companies have their problems (don't we all), but I have noticed that it's the fee charging companies, on the whole, that actually care about their clients and are there for them when things get tough ( and they will at some point). The charity companies seem to let you stew and offer very little assistance.

I will exclude Nick from that comment as he does try his best to assist, but, I feel, is often hitting his head against the same corporate brick wall ( which must be frustrating to say the least).

Given the chance to start my IVA again I would go with the fee charging company every time ( sorry Nick!).

Incidentally, I do realise that the charities do actually get fees in much the same way for IVA's and "donations" for DMP work, and find the way they, themselves, abet their portrayal as "FREE" somewhat disingenuous.
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Post by kallis3 » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:53 pm
Don't forget Foggy that Payplan and CCCS charge the same fees as the others for IVA's. It's only DMP's that are 'free'.
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Post by Foggy » Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:23 pm
Yes, Jan, but, somehow, that is never mentioned in the media !!!!
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Post by kallis3 » Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:26 pm
I know - and it should be!!
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Post by North East Derbyshire CAB » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:51 am
font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:<hr height="1" noshade>Originally posted by Tina S

Well, well, well, after being out of action for a couple of days I am now catching up and following a mammoth hour and 10 minutes reading through this whole thread where do I start?! Apologies now for typos, we know I'm prone from time to time!

Like everyone on here I really value a good debate and good things can come from understanding differing views or clearing up misunderstandings. We are all aiming for the same goal which is to ensure that people needing help know where they can get it and receive the best advice possible. It is great having your input on here NEDCAB and your openness and willingness for two way feedback is just what we need. The CAB play a crucial role in people's lives giving them a place to go to for help and advice. It is rare someone has never heard of the CAB or know where their nearest one. I know personally from involvement with many different communities, many people see you in general as the One-stop-shop for help so it is vital each relevant sector can help the CAB be the link to the necessary facts and services that the public need. Of course, we speak on here in relation to the problems with debt but as a trained counsellor it is true for all areas of need. I just wish you could have more resources to allow there to be more offices and staff to increase your availability for the public...but then I am sure you would all like more help on that side too!

My overriding concern and bugbear in response to this whole debate is that vulnerable people are occaisionally being misled, at a time when they need clarity, support, objective advice and facts and they are left open to making wrong and detrimental decisions as a result of it. The misleading is in general by some media, some poorly trained advisors, some out of date websites, some organisations and unfortunately by some people who have themselves had bad experience and believe it would be the same for everyone else.

As a professional in the field there is nothing more frustrating or upsetting when a client comes to us with misinformation or 'half the picture' whch has left them confused and unnecessarily panicking, especially when it is too late to be able to rectify things for them. It seems more and more people do 'shop around' and do their research which is a good thing to ensure they are making the right decision but are still those that don't know to do this and take what they are first told to be the whole picture.

Ultimately, if a client needing help is listened to, treated with respect, has their sitiaution properly assessed, has all the options fully explained to them (whether they want to hear it or not), is given help to calculate a realistic living budget, is advised of the implications and next steps, is given time to think things through and is given a level of ongoing support that helps them along the way and addresses issues that come up then it is a good job done and that is what we should all be aiming for as the standard to achieve whoever we are.

I am frustrated by the misrepresentation and collective use of the term "fee paying companies". Speaking from one of these said companies I am personally extremely proud of the service we provide and the lengths we go to for not only our clients but those approaching us from elsewhere seeking help. And we are not alone - there are other companies, some on here, who have a similar approach to the service they provide. Do those that have a dim view of "fee charging companies" really know what services are being offered by some and that some of us give anything up to 18 hours a day direct access for clients including weekends just to be there for them if they need support or help.

I think anyone in contact with people looking for debt advice should give them unbiased places to visit to get help - comparison sites, forums such as this and others and let them know that services offered can vary and it has absolutely nothing to do with whether a fee is charged or not, it is down the individual organisation! Fees covered by the creditors are diferent to additional upfront fees so that should be made clear to clients so they understand what fees are covered by whom.

If more people knew that places like this forum existed and the level of support and help that is out there, then we would hear less and less of people ending up in worse situations and living a nightmare that could have been avoided after receiving bad advice.

Thats my ramble over and here is to moving forward together to ensure those needing help get it when and how they need it.
Hello

Some good and interesting stuff in there Tina and to think, this all stemmed from a post about what was allegedly said on a radio show from somewhere in Sussex... wasn't it?

Well, there does seem to be an air of calm about now between us all, which is nice...but who would bet on this lasting?

A fool and his money are easliy parted some might say:)

PS - great debate though guys, just like it should be and no offence meant.

NED-CAB
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