Cancelling IVA process

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Post by nathan_mitchell » Sun Jul 01, 2007 5:10 pm
I've just made the first step of identifying i'm applicable for an IVA:

current debt level £30k

I've also made an application for a loan of £20k to Northern Rock for a loan over 10yrs, stating that i'd like to consolidate existing debts.

Although i haven't received paper work for either as yet, i was wondering if i should at least try and get the loan first, and if successful, i would have no need for the IVA, or do i jst go straight for IVA?

My present credit history is good as i've managed to make all exisitng credit card payments up till now.

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Post by MelanieGiles » Sun Jul 01, 2007 5:29 pm
An IVA is only really an option for you if you are insolvent and unable to meet the contractual liabilities on your debts - and you owe £30,000. If you are insolvent, I would certainly not recommend that you take out additional borrowings, as isn't that why you are struggling with your finances at the moment? How do you pay off £30,000 with a loan for £20,000.

And if you are insolvent, you should not be making applications for further credit.

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Post by aguise » Sun Jul 01, 2007 5:34 pm
Hi Nathan
Welcome to the forum
Be careful about consolidating you may be making a bad situation worse. Northern rock are not very accomodating with iva's at present and will not consider new loans at all, so if in a couple of years you find you cannot manage again you may be in a situation of them being a major creditor and being able to outvote everone in an iva.
If you dont mind giving more info like income, if you have equity in a house ,who creditors are and what is left after living costs excluding debt payments then all can advise on possible solutions. Bear in mind you have to be insolvent for an iva, have more going out than coming in after reasonable living costs.

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Post by aguise » Sun Jul 01, 2007 5:36 pm
Sorry Melanie posted at the same time.

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Post by lily » Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:20 pm
Hi

I found that consolidating was the biggest mistake I ever made and more than doubled my debt.

I hope that you manage to solve your own problems, good luck to you.

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Post by nathan_mitchell » Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:06 pm
Thank you all for your replies. I can give you more details below about my situation.

I'm 26yrs old, live at home with parents & work in IT. I earn after a tax a salary of £1300, of which £350 is my rent, and another £250 for car insurance. Due to my high level of travel i pay slightly more on my car insurance and as such my petrol is almost another £200 on top.

That leaves me with £500 with which to then make payments to my credit cards & loans - although upto this point i have managed as 2 of the cards were on a 0% offer, they are due to now expire and the full force of the minimum payment will come into effect (from currently £10pm to approx £150pm)

On paper i owe £30,000 which consists of 6 credit cards and 1 loan (4mths left). I live at home with my parents who have also supported me by borrowing me money (£6000) which i have used to pay off existing debts.

I am in a situation whereby my career is at a level where it is starting to climb (hence my reasoning for wanting another loan to consolidate debts) as i feel that within 3yrs, i could potentially have enough disposable income to satisfy the loan comftably and not have to make too many sacrifices to my existing lifestyle.

I understand that if an IVA is taken (and has been recommended by the IP i spoke to on the phone a few days ago) then my salary increases will be taken into account and will therefore mean that i will not really benefit as this will go straight into the IVA. - therefore the usual 10% yearly increase will not really give me much more to live off if in an IVA - is this correct?

Secondly, i was due to move house from my parents and into another rented accomodation home closer to my commute to work - so i guess this will now too be stopped if i proceed with an IVA.

My questions to members of the forum is:

1. Am i likely to be accepted by Northern Rock for a loan soley for consolidation purposes - they want to see 3mths worth of wage slips.

2. If not, then the IVA would have to be the route to take, which will mean approx 5yrs payments (if accepted by the creditors)?

3. Can an early settlement payment be made say after 3 yrs, and roughly what would this be? I have spoken with Kingsgate Insolvency who will act on my behalf and have organised me to be sent a pack & arrange a telephone meeting with me later in the week. But i am terrified of the whole ordeal, i have already cancelled Direct Debits as they instructed me to, but am now having 2nd thoughts.

Sorry for such a long post, i think i'm in need of some support and i am grateful for such a site that allows people like myself in this predicament to share their problems.
 
 

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Post by nathan_mitchell » Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:16 pm
I forgot to mention, that the IVA people said that my payments could roughly work out to be £350. so in light of this, can someone give me a breakdown of possible settlement figures for say year 2,3,4 and 5?

I am just curious to see what this could potentially be, i've read from others on the forum that they have managed to settle their IVA after just 3yrs. I will also ask the IP this same question when they contact me this week.

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Post by MelanieGiles » Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:16 pm
It will be up to Northern Rock whether they will lend you money to consolidate - which will only pay off £20,000 of your debt presumably leaving £10,000 still to pay.

If you enter into a 5 year IVA, it may be possible to settle after 3 years, but where will you get the money from?

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Post by BlueShoes » Sun Jul 01, 2007 10:10 pm
Hello
We've spent the last 10 years consolidating debts, a few thousand pounds here and there, and now owe over £100,000. We were always confident our good salaries would be enough to meet all our payments, until the day came when we realised that we only met our payments by using credit as a top up (not huge chunks, dribs and drabs) It's a road we would never have taken, but hind sight is a gift none of us truly possess!
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Post by lily » Sun Jul 01, 2007 10:23 pm
Nathan, since youre so young at the moment, five years is a long time for you and there may be several changes in the five years it would take to complete an IVA. Have all of the options been explained to you, ie Bankruptcy or a DMP as well as an IVA??? I would consider these before going for a consolidation loan as I know what happened to me and where I am in my life due to this 'solution' NR also have a reputation as being a difficult creditor at least on this forum.

I wish you the very best in whatever you decide to do but make sure you make an informed choice.

Good luck

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Post by nathan_mitchell » Sun Jul 01, 2007 10:49 pm
Hi all many thanks for the valuable information, i feel slighlty more positive reading the responses and now have clearer questions to ask my IP when we next speak.

I've been told from a family member who is also aware of my situation that they could potentially have £7000 to give me in 3yrs time which they would be prepared to 'give away' due to my circumstances. I know its a long way away but right now i just want it all over before it begins.

I have taken note of the comments however and for once i feel that i will be able to make a more informed decision, taking on board the comments regarding Northern Rock also.

Thanks,
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Post by Adam Davies » Mon Jul 02, 2007 11:24 am
Nathan
My gut feeling from reading your posts is that you are not ready for an IVA yet and with careful planning and discipline I feel that you can work through your problems.
You have one big plus and that,s the fact that your career seems to be blossoming and this will be the answer.
An IVA is not "an easy in ,easy out" type of agreement.It is an alternative to bankruptcy and should not be entered into unless you are 100 percent sure.
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Post by nathan_mitchell » Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:01 pm
Hi Andy,

Many thanks for the reply. I too didn't think that an IVA would be the right way to go but i've arranged for an IP to contact me later today to go through my income & expenditure budget.

A large part of my debt was due to a gambling addiction following a period of depression which in time has caught up on me, so they said that this is quite often not viewed upon favourably for IVAs even though it may. Even though i have since received professional guidance and councilling. I just feel really rotten right now and hope that they can help me. My bonus payments at the end of the year will surely help me a great deal.

I have asked if a figure of settlement can be drawn up, to see if this is accepted - i'm not sure what this could be as current total debts mount to £32k, they said something like £11k, but does this sound right?

The chap was speaking figures off the top of his head though and said that we will go through it later in more detail.

A member of my family has offered to give me a large chunk of this debt, roughly £7k, so i'm hoping if a figure is offered, then i can hopefully get the rest raised if it is within my means.

Does this sound plausable?

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Post by Adam Davies » Mon Jul 02, 2007 3:31 pm
Hi again
A one off IVA settlement can happen but with a disposible income it,s unlikely and the gambling issue will not help.You have a loan ending soon and this will increase your disposible income.
Another point to remember is that under an IVA you will have to pay over half your bonus and even in a lump sum IVA this may well be payable.
Good luck and do not rush into anything until you have answered all your questions
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Post by nathan_mitchell » Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:43 pm
Hi Andy,

Many thanks for your informative information. I have just spoken to the IP and have discussed my reasons for not wanting an IVA straight away.

I explained my current salary structure and expected incremental bonus payments and they have advised as long as i'm aware that the Debt Management Plan can take longer to complete and i'm prepared to meet the same level of payments (agreed £260pm) then it can be setup this way. They advised that the creditors are not obliged to stop interest on the accounts - is this normal?

Within a DMP can a bulk figure still be offered for settlement, they said yes it is possible to do this, but have said i will need to wait a few weeks for all documents to be completed.

Nathan
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