CCCS and Bankruptcies?

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Post by OPTIMIST12 » Sat Jan 05, 2008 2:20 am
Just to reiterate my own experience - may I just add that during my dealings with the CCCS there was absolutely no pressure to remain with them to resolve my debt problems. They DID go through the options with me - BR was discounted - and IVA / DMP were left for me to decide which was appropriate. In the meantime they sent me a bundle of helpful and unbiased literature setting out the pros and cons of each. I was subsequently referred by them to a well-respected IVA Provider but had in the meantime already approached a company of my choice.

I knew nothing about the financing of the CCCS beyond that it is Creditor-based - but they helped restore my sanity at a time when I really was at my lowest ebb. When they went through my I + E it gave me just the kick up the backside that I needed to realise that I was in deep trouble.

But as someone who will always be very grateful to the CCCS for their (free) help I really would like to see them come out with a response to the various - and valid - points that have been raised on the Forum recently. I am sure this Forum must be widely read in the CCCS - please come forward to put peoples minds at rest. Thank You.
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Post by Beechy » Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:03 am
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Did you know that when they referred IVA's out to IP's, which I understand has been negligeable recently, that they charge £1000 referral fee?

Wow ----- what a business model, free referral, then ask for around a £1,000 for 3rd party introduction.

Why do they want to get involved with all the compliance issues and quality staff.

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Post by OPTIMIST12 » Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:43 am
Lets not forget that there are two sides to this - the business side and the human side. When you are a "desperate debtor" you are looking for a knowledgable person or organisation to help you out of the mess you are in and - to be honest - the ins and outs of that person or organisations finances come pretty far down your list of worries!

Sorry to repeat myself over and over but I found that CCCS threw me a lifeline and their advice cost ME nothing. If anything I was drawn to them BECAUSE they are Creditor funded and I felt that they would give me an honest and realistic picture of what Creditors would accept because of this fact. And -in my opinion - they DID do that.

I still hope that they will add a post to the forum - but there again maybe that is against their policy. I dont know.
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Post by Beechy » Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:51 am
I understand what you are saying and I am pleased that you are happy with the service you have recieved.

IP's of any substance will offer free advice and also understand the issues with creditors expectations.

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Post by OPTIMIST12 » Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:00 am
Thanks Beechy.

Sorry if I get a bit "overheated" on this topic.

Apologies!!!!
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Post by Beechy » Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:00 am
No probs

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Post by Skippy » Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:19 pm
I'm sorry, but until CCCS come out and answer the questions put to them, no-one is going to convince me that they don't work for the creditors and will therefore offer advice that is better for the creditor rather than the debtor. That is why I can't understand this sudden bankruptcy service...

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Post by Adam Davies » Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:21 pm
Maybe someone,somewhere will be earning money out of it ?

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Post by Myvesta-Steve » Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:33 pm
Hi All, [:)]

For those of us inside the industry there is a lot more that we know but can't say publicly at this time. Just keep your eye on the http://myvesta.org.uk/articles/ section and watch for new industry information.

What I can say is that solicitors have reviewed information from the article and other public and private sources that are now talking and are thinking of putting together a class action lawsuit for consumers that were not properly advised to go into an IVA by CCCS and instead put into a DMP.

The primary issue appears to be that since the person was not presented with the IVA option that creditor terms have changed significantly and that it is now too late to get into an IVA where your debt could be reduced for less than it would be if you could get across the hurdle rates now. Those consumers would have now been financially harmed.

And for the record, while your personal experience with them may have been brilliant, I think what people are talking about is the overall picture. I have no doubt that there are many wonderful, caring and compassionate people at CCCS and I would love to meet them, give them a hug and take them to lunch. I think it appears from all discussion that the issues that might exist are the result of corporate policies and business plans and not the hearts and souls of front line staff.

I'll let you draw your own conclusions to the following public information but it is interesting that someone from the CCCS public relations department was so busy editing out information about them in Wikipedia. What were they trying to hide, if anything? Generally that is considered to be inappropriate. Read the entire discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Consu ... ng_Service for more information and to make your own assessment.

As a former director of a U.S. Consumer Credit Counseling Service major office I do have experience and knowledge from inside that you might not and I'll just have to ask you to trust me that there is more here than you know. I've been to the closed door meetings and know what happens there.

It is a bit puzzling that the article from last Sunday is no longer on the This is Money site. Not sure what to make of that.

What I am surprised about is how vigorously Martin Lewis stands behind CCCS, which is fine if that's what he wants to do, but I wonder how much research his staff have done to try to get some good answers to some very valid questions that have been raised, here and elsewhere. Maybe if someone has a line to him you can ask him to look into these issues.

Steve

P.S. As far as what I'm working on now, I should publish a story in the next few days about sub-prime lenders targeting IVA clients for new small loans while in an IVA, and they say there is no need to tell the IVA Supervisor. I even have a recorded call to publish in the article as well. You've got to love the recording, especially when the lender representative tells the person to apply in someone else's name or how to get two small loans at the same time without telling anyone.

P.S.S. My goal is not to fight with CCCS or anyone, but to fight for and defend consumers and I hope you will understand that and look at all my efforts in that light. I am not a hater, but a lover of fairness, justice and people.

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Post by Adam Davies » Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:46 pm
Hi
Steve your posts and comments are welcome on this forum and always make interesting reading.
The ethos and spirit of this forum is to offer help,support and advice to anybody with debt problems and to never judge them.I am,like you,a lover of fairness, justice and people.
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Post by Lord Soth » Sat Jan 05, 2008 8:32 pm
In defence of CCCS, their staff were always available and very helpful during my IVA process, including achieving a "yes" vote from NR for a 32p in the £ offer against a £100k plus debt. Their fee is £6.4k.

I felt CCCS represented me very well, e.g. I offered to increase my monthly amount through reducing several items however CCCS' advice was to retain them all for the initial proposal. They subsequently selectively accepted only those votes which meant no increase. I am - and was - fully aware of the creditor link.
 
 

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Post by Andrew Graveson » Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:14 pm
Hello Lord Soth,

I think it's important that all sides are reported on this debate; not least because CCCS do not appear to want to answer the questions that have been raised.

No-one doubts that CCCS has many dedicated and caring members of staff. Nor does anyone doubt that a large number of people have been well served by them. I'm glad to hear that they were able to help you at a time when help was needed.

The questions however are serious and the implications for others who find themselves in financial difficulty are significant. CCCS are in a position of power as a result of the numbers of financially distressed people referred to them by financial institutions.

It's a shame that CCCS finds it more important to manipulate their Wikipedia entry than reassure the public that the concerns expressed in this thread are misjudged.

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Post by Beechy » Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:16 pm
what percentage of you total debt was to NR? and if it was greater than 25% of the 100k this just shows the Inconsistency of there voting or did you owe NR 100k


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Post by OPTIMIST12 » Sun Jan 06, 2008 1:01 am
This is all getting a bit too deep for me but may I make one final contribution -

CCCS provide advice - completely without charge to the debtor. Noone is obliged to follow this advice and if you think you are being wrongly advised -as with anyone - then you can just walk away. When I first started looking to solve my debt problems I did not even know that there was such a thing as an Insolvency Practitioner. I knew NOTHING about DMPs / IVAs / BR etc. I learnt about the CCCS from a small booklet that some of my Creditors sent me when they realised I was in difficulty (published by the BBA and called "Dealing with Debt" I think).I think also that the CCCS website makes it quite clear that they are Creditor funded. The stuff that CCCS sent me after I contacted them was COMPLETELY unbiased in setting out the options. It gave me an invaluable crash course in learning about the basics of personal insolvency. I read it all from cover to cover - or sheet to sheet - and made up my OWN mind using my own small brain. At no time did they try to tell me what to do and I made my own decision.

Anyway - I can only speak from my own experience and would just say to people that - if you think you are being pushed or manipulated into an inappropriate course of action by ANYONE - then just say No Thankyou and look elsewhere. Take your time and decide what is the best plan yourself after reading up on everything and listening to expert advice from whatever sources are available.

And I promise that this will be my last contribution on this topic!!
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Post by MelanieGiles » Sun Jan 06, 2008 4:00 am
So why choose another firm to represent you?

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