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Post by workingonit » Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:06 pm
I am in the final year of my IVA. I have a limited company which I am the sole director. My last set of accounts show a profit of £7K.

Would my IP ask for some of this. If they will, how would they request it, increase in wage or lump sum.

The reason I would like to know is that this years trade has not been as good due to one thing and another and I have had to use some of the profit to keep things going.

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Post by Niobe » Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:20 pm
Hi,

I've no idea on this - you do need to speak to your IP but hopefully one of our experts will be along to help.
 
 

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Post by sponge » Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:21 pm
Question does your IP ask to see your pay slips and your end of year books?
 
 

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Post by workingonit » Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:16 pm
Hi Sponge. Yes they see last three months pay slips, P60 and latest company accounts.
 
 

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Post by MelanieGiles » Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:42 pm
Is there anything written into your IVA proposal which requires you to produce your company accounts, and thus account to your IP for any share of increased profits?
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Post by workingonit » Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:02 pm
Hi Melanie, thanks for the response. The only thing I can find is a modification which says, "A full review of the debtor's income and expenditure will be undertaken annually by the supervisor and will be incorporated into the annual report to creditors. This must include a copy of the Debtor's latest P60. Where net income has increased (including any routine overtime) the Debtor shall increase contributions by 50% of the net surplus (after taking into account costs of living) commencingin the month following the review."

There is nothing specific to company accounts.
 
 

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Post by workingonit » Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:14 pm
Hi Melanie, thanks for the response. The only thing I can find is a modification which says, "A full review of the debtor's income and expenditure will be undertaken annually by the supervisor and will be incorporated into the annual report to creditors. This must include a copy of the Debtor's latest P60. Where net income has increased (including any routine overtime) the Debtor shall increase contributions by 50% of the net surplus (after taking into account costs of living) commencingin the month following the review."

There is nothing specific to company accounts.
 
 

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Post by Adam Davies » Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:30 pm
Hi

My understanding is that you have to release profit by way of dividends but not in a way that will affect the running of your business so my feeling is that you will be ok. Like most questions only your own IP can give you the definitive answer

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Post by workingonit » Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:37 pm
Hi Andy,

Thanks for your reply I appreciate it.
 
 

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Post by MelanieGiles » Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:42 pm
If this is all the proposals says about increases in your income, then you only need to provide your IP with details of your payslips and P60. I am, however, rather suprised that as a company director you are not also required to provide the company's trading accounts as part of an express term of the proposal, as you could be paying yourself a lower salary and allowing reserves to build up in the company (not for a minute suggesting this is the case in your case!) And as dividend income is also classed as income, the level of distributions you make to yourself over the year also needs to be taken into account.
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Post by workingonit » Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:47 pm
Hi Melanie. I have always been asked to supply my company accounts which is logical. I prefer the IP to see them so that I don't have any nasty shocks.

The £7k has built up over the 4 years and my IP has seen this on a yearly basis. The last set of accounts showed £5K and they didn't ask for any additional contribution.

My worry is that the accounts are over 12 months old when the review is done and a lot of things change.
 
 

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Post by MelanieGiles » Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:51 pm
I would say that a £7k profit forms a modest reserve which you probably need to fund the ongoing working capital requirements of the business. If you are asked to pay something over, which you feel is unaffordable, then do put a robust case forward. You are quite correct to point out that accounts can often be almost a year old when they are finalised and filed.
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Post by workingonit » Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:54 pm
Thanks everybody for their advice. When I hear from the IP I'll post the outcome on here for the benefit of forum users.
 
 

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Post by sponge » Mon Oct 08, 2012 5:35 pm
You can extend your trading year, every five years so can be blind to company house for nearly two years and they don’t like it!
 
 

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Post by MelanieGiles » Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:30 pm
And what sdvantage does that actually give our poster, Sponge?
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