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Post by MelanieGiles » Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:45 pm
Where abouts do you live Jane? I may be able to recommend someone to you.

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Post by jane.l » Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:08 pm
I live in North West England, I've looked in Yellow Pages and does not seem to anyone near me.
 
 

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Post by MelanieGiles » Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:56 pm
Can you confirm which town and I will endeavour to find you a local IP.

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Post by jane.l » Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:30 pm
Its Burnley, although I am a bit loathe to put too much personal info on here as I did read a post about the forum being monitored? even tho I have nothing to hide, just the fact I made a complete hash of my life! I have never done anything criminal
 
 

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Post by tracy.h » Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:49 pm
Jane you have done nothing more than all of us that post on the forum,please stop beating yourself up.AT least you have made the first step to recognise you have a problem,and i comend you for dealing with it.What ever your out come will be you will move forward.Take a deep breath and listen to the sound advice that you are given.Thinking of you at this difficult time.
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Post by lesley » Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:06 pm
Where abouts in North West i am in Burnley. My IP is in Leeds.
 
 

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Post by lesley » Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:16 pm
Jane I went through Myvesta uk and they put me in touch with Richard at RE10 and he was really nice and didn't make me feel like a loser. I have got my creditors meeting on Thursday it will be just short of 11 weeks since I first phoned if you want the number I can get it for you. They send someone round to help you fill in paperwork and she was really nice too. Must be something about Burnley we're not the only ones so don't panic it will get sorted out.
 
 

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Post by jane.l » Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:46 am
I have got my proposal here all ready to sign but I am not sure what to do now, I am not going to send it off until the end of the week, when hopefully I may know more about the situation with the house. It is about 3-4 weeks since I rang to enquire about an IVA so the time scale is not too bad, its just this house business that is holding things up! The other thing is I am really worried about committing to the IVA when I am so dubious as to it working,

The proposal is as follows (assuming we sell our house within 6 months for the asking price, if Picture agree)

6 months at £190
34 months at £420
16 months at £580
1 month at £630
15 months at £835,

The contributions rises because we will finish paying off 2 cars on HP and a overpayment of Tax Credits, BUT my job finishes in Nov 2008, we will not get Child Benefit for our eldest child as she will be 19 AND doing the calculations, there would still be nearly £100 per month short, so where does the IP think we are going to find this extra £100 per month from?? and no doubt, rent will increase too

I have read about so many posts about IVAs failing a few years in and I do not want to end up in that situation and then have to go bankrupt a few years down the line, if that is the case, I'd rather do it at the beginning! next week, we are to start paying the first payments, I was told that if the IVA is not accepted, then the company keep any payments as admin costs, fair enough, but I feel now like I am just chucking money away! IF our house does not sell or Picture do not allow it, then the debt will rise if we have to let it get repossessed, so the IVA definitely will not work then! Also yesterday I received a Default Notice from Picture and it says that if they do not receive a payment by 5 April, they are adding £1300 charges on to what we owe!!!!!!!!
 
 

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Post by gimmewine » Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:14 pm
You really need to talk to your IP about this. If you know you are going to lose income from child benefit, that loss of income will need to be reflected in the proposed payments.
 
 

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Post by jane.l » Sun Mar 25, 2007 2:46 pm
yeah, I think they are just keen to push it through and they have already stretched it to 6 years instead of 5, but even they said its pushing it, my draft proposal stated we would be paying 45.10p in the pound but now the final proposal states 46pence, I think I'll have to try and ring them tomorrow with my concerns
 
 

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Post by go_4_broke » Sun Mar 25, 2007 2:53 pm
Hi jane,

I've got a bit of catching up to do here I think !

My understanding is the woman from Picture is basically correct.

There's a common misunderstanding that in Bankruptcy people automatically lose their house. This is not the case. When you go bankrupt, any assets you have automatically become the property of the OR. This includes any equity you have in property. The OR then has to sell this for the benefit of the creditors. In your case as you have substantial negative equity, there is nothing for your creditors so OR will have no interest in your property.

So even if you go bankrupt or into an IVA, this does not directly affect your secured loans, being either your mortgage or the Picture loan, and unless you stop paying them specifically they will continue as normal. Picture are not stupid - one of the reason these companies aggressively sell secured loans is because they know people cannot get out of them in bankruptcy.

So you need to look at the secured and unsecured loans separately, at least to a certain extent. The complexity arises because as has been mentioned above, once the property is sold or repossessed then any shortfall to Picture or the mortgage company can be pursued as an UNSECURED loan. The reason I said 'You don't want to have to do it twice' is because this could happen:

1) You go bankrupt and clear your unsecured loans

2) The property is not sorted out for over a year, (by which time you are out of bankruptcy), resulting in you being pursued for the oustanding amount as unsecured, and

3) You have to go bankrupt AGAIN to clear it! (or find some other way to pay it off)

It may be that if you were in an IVA that these unsecured amounts could be brought into the IVA once the property was disposed of within the 5 year IVA period, but you would need specialist advice on this. Failing that a better strategy would be:

1) Put all unsecured loans into a temporary holding DMP, paying the minimum amount to prevent any further creditor action;

2) Get the house sorted/sold/repossessed to 'crystallize' any unsecured shortfall;

3) Place the whole lot into an IVA or Bankruptcy.

There is a further complexity, I'm sorry to say. If the Picture loan and mortgage (and any other loans) are in joint names, your husband can also be pursued for any shortfall. That means you cannot solve the problem by entering into any arrangement on your own, your husband would have to be included.

I don't think a bankruptcy would be unlikely to have any effect on your husbands position, unless he is a full director of the company in which case he would be barred from acting for the duration of any bankruptcy. However he is wise to check.

Finally, I don't think you need worry to much about the housing issue - look at it this way. Yes, you may have entered into voluntary repossession with the lender. However, tell the council the reason you would seek council accomodation is if you were chucked out of your rented property because of bankruptcy. As this is highly unlikely to happen anyway (unless you don't pay the rent), you never need go there.

Hope this helps !

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Post by go_4_broke » Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:14 pm
I should add in the light of recent posts that your IP should be made aware of the potential shortfall on the property and be able to clarify with you exactly what they intend to do about it if/when it arises.

You would almost certainly be better off financially in bankruptcy rather than the IVA, whether you want to go that route is up to you ultimately.

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Post by jane.l » Sun Mar 25, 2007 4:13 pm
thanks sooo much for that, I do understand now, eventually! I am a bit clearer now on what we are doing, I'l will await the decision from Picture, hopefully this week, and then take it from there!
 
 

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Post by go_4_broke » Sun Mar 25, 2007 4:40 pm
Hi Jane -

That's good - just hope I've got it right ! (Broadly speaking at least). If not I'm sure someone else will be along to correct.

There's no doubt your situation is complex, which is probably why the CAB couldn't really cope.

There's also no doubt that an IVA or bankruptcy may well be part of the solution - provided all the other factors are properly taken into account.

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Post by MelanieGiles » Sun Mar 25, 2007 10:25 pm
I agree with all that advice provided by Go 4 broke. It is far better Jane to await the outcome of Picture's decision before signing up to an IVA.

If you need a second opinion, I suggest you contact David Bottomly of Wilson Philips in Blackburn, who are the nearest IP firm I can find in your immediate area who I know. I have no personal knowledge of this practice, but they are experienced in the area of IVAs.

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