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Post by Stevebuk » Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:32 pm
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Hi all,

Lurked a bit here and got advice whilst in my IVA, funny how my first post is 3 months after I finished it.

Anyway as I said I completed my IVA at the end of October 2011. Very rewarding after 5 Years.

Anyways I thought I'd get to grips with my credit file and see what damage has been done. Joined Experian and was surprised to see that my credit score currently rests at 820 which they rate as fair. My IVA is showing as a public record, of course it will sit on file until the end of the year.

I have three of my old accounts showing as 8 (delinquent) that's were originally on my IVA, I have posted notices of explanation on them and will be looking to get them removed if poss. Have also posted a notice on my public record sating IVA complete. Once I have my completion certificate (due very soon ) I will send a copy on to the agencies.

My question is this, I will be needing to fund a vehicle purchase (motorcycle) in the next 2-3 months. Am I likely to get a secured loan on a vehicle with my 820 score. I earn pretty good money now 36k plus and obviously have no debits at all so my expendable income is pretty high.


Whilst in my IVA I had a HP loan via Black Horse on a car that ended earlier in the year all paid no missed payments for 60 months so I have good payment history with them. As they do bike financing is it worth speaking to them first.

Thanks peeps
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Post by kallis3 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:43 pm
Hi and welcome and well done on completing.

The credit scores don't mean a lot to be honest, each company scores people differently.

There are a couple of firms you can try which are good with people who have a less than perfect credit history. There is Moneybarn and Carloans4U.

You will need a decent deposit and the APR is high but they are normally good.

Don't know about Black Horse.
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Post by plasticdaft » Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:57 pm
I would be attempted to try black horse first but even they will credit check you so dont be surprised if you get knocked back.

As Jan says the score itself isnt really what matters,its all about the content of your report. Have you managed to get credit for anything since the IVA ended? Sometimes its about starting small and rebuilding. If you have a hefty deposit towards the bike that may well help.

Remember that equifax and call credit are also used as credit reference agencies by lenders so get a look at your file from them as well,it will amaze you how the same info can be slightly different on all 3!!

Good luck with the bike.

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Post by Stevebuk » Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:36 pm
Cheers guys, no not had anything since my IVA and I don't want any loans or credit cards tbh, but the bike is a necessity so that's the only reason I'm looking.
May look at one of the high APR cards and use it for things like fuel and pay it in full each month, get some fresh records on the go.
 
 

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Post by plasticdaft » Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:17 pm
vanquis seems to be the one,and you may find that with your score you could get a half decent APR(still not the best).

Make sure your on the electoral roll and have a contract mobile etc.

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Post by steve532 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:38 pm
I checked my credit score as my IVA finished it was 891 and marked as good. I tried to get a credit card just to start and rebuild my credit rating it was refused. I tried to get an overdraft at my bank, even though i get paid 2.5k a month, they wouldnt give me a £100 Overdraft!!! so it may take a while to start the healing process.
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Post by kazzafunk » Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:09 am
Try Vanquis Steve. You normally won't get any mainstream credit until the IVA drops off your record (6 years from when the IVA was approved).

Also if you have a contract firm that will help and some utilities show on your record so that will help if up to date.
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Post by Stevebuk » Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:37 am
Cheers all, as it's only 9 months until my IVA drops off my file then I may just wait, get a higher apr credit building card and look to get a 2nd hand bike til next spring, by then It will be off my record.
 
 

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Post by TheMatrix » Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:42 pm
Please do not be taken in by the experian credit score, good bad fair it means diddly squat.

The finance company / credit card lenders will see the public record information as either a IVA or BR, some don't even distinguish between the two and refer to both as BR which I know is technically wrong but they do.

What I'm saying is that you'll find it near impossible to get any form of credit, other than say high interest cards like vanquis or specialist lenders dealing with sub prime at higher rates.

You have to either go with one of them, or wait until the IVA and all defaults are gone from your credit file, that includes satisified defaults too.

With regards to notices on your credit files, it's a waste of time. Creditors will not take on board any of the comments when the see the IVA record that will be it I'm afraid. The fact you have such a high disposable income after paying the IVA off means nothing to them either. It should, but it don't.

I'm what you might say a poacher now, having turned from being a gamekeeper myself several years ago working in finance, dealing with this kind of stuff infact, quite ironic really having gone through a IVA myself now you might say.
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Post by vince666 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:25 pm
That's useful info Matrix.

Apart from the 3 credit rating agencies and the insolvency register, is there any other source of information that lenders have access to that could show a footprint of the IVA?
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Post by kallis3 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:36 pm
In the case of the banks and/or mortgage lenders they have their own records and the IVA could show on there for longer than it does on the public records.
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Post by TheMatrix » Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:54 pm
Indeed, the only record creditors can see externally are what's on the 3 main CRAs and any public records that are available e.g. The Insolvency Register.

All major creditors also subscribe to CIFAS, which is shared across all lenders relating to Fraud, and GAIN which is related to people who have gone away and is a way of sharing that information, both will however show on your credit report if there are records there, you really don't want any of them there - except for protective registration in the case of CIFAS if you want.

Other than that as Jan says creditors will have their own records that they keep. They should not keep them for longer than is necessary according to the data protection act. However, they could argue that they need the data to keep records for tax purposes.

If that is the case they should only ever use that data for that purpose and not to assess further credit in future. But I have suspicions they do and gets counted in with internal credit scoring.

However, I'm not sure on that as internal scoring system was highly confidential information which was guarded by the place I worked at and no one knew the criteria, except may be the programmers who programmed the systems and those who made the decisions.

We could guess it most of the time however, based on the answers people put down on their application forms ;-)
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Post by vince666 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:59 pm
Presumably the records a bank may keep would only be seen by them and other members of their group, but wouldn't be shared with a completely unassociated lender?
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Post by kallis3 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:00 pm
I will certainly be subscribing to CIFAS again once the IVA is finished having had my card details stolen in the past.
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Post by mattyboy » Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:31 pm
Hunter is a system which a lot of mainstream lenders subscribe to. Everytime you apply for credit, be it a loan, mortgage or credit card they upload details to National Hunter, even if the application is declined. For this reason alone it may not be a good idea to apply for too much credit until the IVA is off file. National Hunter is little known about but most major banks use it and they can compare applications that you make for different forms of credit. Its sometimes called the 4th Credit Reference Agency and the information on there can make or break an application although lenders arent allowed to decline applications solely on the information stored on there. Vanquis dont use Hunter so I would apply with them to rebuild your credit score but stay away from mainstream lenders until the IVA is off your file. Too many credit applications looks desperate and can have a severe impact on your score.

I agree with Matrix, the CRAs credit score, especially Experian's isnt worth the paper its written on, They seem to just pluck a number out of thin air. If you have the words Default or IVA on your credit file mainstream lenders are highly unlikely to touch you. Some in fact automatically set your score to 0 if you have an IVA.
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