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katiew86

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Post by katiew86 » Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:32 pm
hi all,

i have read a few posts about f&f offers and was wondering if someone can explain to me about the whole pence in the pound. Per our IVA we are paying 45p dividend for every pound we owe.

so, in the future (if we were in the position) and we wanted to offer a f&f payment, would this be based on the total of our debts minus what we have paid over in the term of our IVA or the dividend value to what is still outstanding?

hope that makes sense and thanks for any replies!
 
 

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Post by Broke of London » Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:40 pm
You always owe the full amount but creditors generally like to achieve as close as possible to the original dividend from a F&F. In your case, they would like to receive as close as possible to 45p/£ from your iva as a whole.
 
 

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Post by Foggy » Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:42 pm
F&F depend on a number of circumstances, and the more pressing the need the more likelyhood of a smaller offer being acceptable. However, a general rule of thumb is to offer to pay over the sum anticipated at the start of your IVA (60 x monthly payment) less anything paid so far.
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Post by katiew86 » Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:53 pm
seem to have conflicting opinions? one for what we originally owe less what we have paid and one for the dividend value?

sorry if i am not understanding what you are saying [:I]

say i owed £10,000 and had paid back £4,000 then I wanted to make a f&f, would the creditors want an amount closer to £6,000 or £2,700 (6000 x 0.45)

thanks again, still trying to get to grips with all of this!
 
 

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Post by Broke of London » Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:03 pm
Foggy and I are of the same opinion. They would want to achieve as close as possible to 45p/£. However, if you can afford to return a higher dividend the they won't say no.
 
 

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Post by Foggy » Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:07 pm
No, we are actually saying the same thing. BoL is correct in that you always actually owe the full amount of original debt, until the end. But the amount of the F&F is based upon what the dividend was estimated at in the IVA.

The amount of original debt is not really relevant.

Say you owed originally £50,000 -- in the IVA you agreed to pay say £500 per month .... the dividend would be 60 x 500 = £30,000.

If you had paid back 8 months (£4000) the F&F would be based upon making a payment close to £26,000. So that the creditors get what they agreed to at the start of the IVA.
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Post by katiew86 » Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:19 pm
right, now I see! thanks a lot, means i can get planning for the next few years and hopefully finish earlier than planned!!!
 
 

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Post by plasticdaft » Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:08 am
If there are specific reason for offering a full and final to end things early ie,increased expenses due to birth of child,creditorsmay be willing to accept less than they expected but your IP should always be able to guide you towards a figure creditors will find acceptable.

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Post by MelanieGiles » Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:17 am
The offer should actually be based on what you can afford to pay, or what your funder is prepared to provide you with, with the intention of always trying to get the best offer to creditors. I generally advice to try and meet the original dividend, unless there are hardship reasons why a lower offer might be deemed reasonable.
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