Don't Need the IVA anymore!!

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Post by Ryan84 » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:37 am
and Lily.. your an Angel! -

thank you so much for understanding.. I just dunno what to do and feel like i consistently make poor choices when it comes to my finances.. hahaha and i wanna run a ltd company?

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Post by Ryan84 » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:40 am
I am still reading this Viki..
 
 

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Post by rayb » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:51 am
I am sorry the IVA is a second chance. You spent the money like everyone else including me and should pay it back regardless, or at least as much as you can. I cannot believe the way you are so blaise about the extra money you have received. £18K is a hell of a payrise and I still think you should be honest now and tell your IP. There is no way you will be made bankrupt as you earn to much and can pay your creditors.

I feel thankful that I have got a second chance it is a shame that you do not
 
 

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Post by kal » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:56 am
I think like others say, you would be best to contact your IP.
The trouble is it is very easy to just hang onto your payrise, but surely if you come clean all they will do is adjust your payments accordingly.
At least you will be paying back what you can - but stiil have the comfort of being in the secure IVA.
If you fail the IVA because of this, would your creditors accept you into a DMP when they know you haven't declared your payrise.
Best of luck and let us know how you get on.
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Post by Ryan84 » Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:02 am
It sounds like alot but i can assure you.. Its not..
I still live with my parents.. Drive a 16 year old bmw and even earn a little extra cash playing in a band and STILL.. without even a smidgen of a decadent lifestyle (I havent had a night out in.. 2 years?) - I run out of money each month..

I work nearly 60hours a week.. any free time is spent training myself for the next challenge my company is gonna throw at me and by god.. they can throw-em..

All i'd like to do is NOT worry about money.. I don't wanna have it all in the bank, as long as i have enough fuel, fags and grub month to month.. Thats all i ask..

If my IVA find out my salary has gone up.. they will ask for more money and make that EVEN MORE difficult..

haha I have a mate, who has been on job seekers for about 5 years.. I had to borrow 20quid from him for fuel..

Think about that... LMAO!!!
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Post by Ryan84 » Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:04 am
thanks Kal.. thats a good point with the creditors.. surely a DMP is benificial (for them) as an alternitive to BR... no?
 
 

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Post by kal » Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:09 am
I would say that yes a DMP is more beneficial to them than BR - the touble is although they do freeze the interest at first, often that won't last, and they may start to hassle you again.
There are companies though that will set it all up for you, and keep it going (we were with one pre IVA).
If you go to your IP with a full I&E surely they will be able to see what you pay out for, and if you say you don;t have any extra money then they will see that - bank statements will back you up.
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Post by kallis3 » Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:12 am
If I had an £18000 a year payrise I would be able to go back to paying my creditors the full amount per month I owed them, especially if I was living with my parents.

I also think you are being very blase. Your first obligation should be paying off your debts, any spare money can then go towards your social life.

I am glad I have a second chance - if it means I live hand to mouth for the next five years, then so be it. I got myself into this, I can get myself out of it. At least I will know that I have done my best to clear my debts.
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Post by freelili » Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:13 am
Hi Ryan

I think Viki has a point, I understand youre very stressed out, its not that you dont care. You could have taken the BR route in the first place, had a reasonable income and expenditure and might not be facing this right now. We all make mistakes, bad choices, does that mean we deserve to be publically flogged??? I dont think so....

You have a number of choices here,

A) you can bite the bullet, phone the IP, tell them whats happened, tell them what you need to happen.

B) let the arrangement fail go into a DMP, you might get harrassment from the crediors, here, they dont have to freeze interest. Could go on for years, no definate end point....

C) do nothing and keep losing sleep and worrying.

If I am honest about it, I would say your best bet is to try and thrash it out with your IP, keep the protection from creditors. Agree to extend the IVA/ state that you need the extra income,state the different variables, you are willing to up your payments etc. That way you will have a definate end point, something to work towards... OK you might not have as much money as you want or feel you deserve right now, but the potential is there for the future...

You are in a very good position, youre erning well, you have a very good standard of living to look forward to at the end of all this. You have bettered yourself for your own and your creditors sake. You could have sat back and just took off when it was all over.

I also feel that whatever position we are in, we need professionals and their fees in all eventualities. We might get ripped off by garage mechanics, central heating people, etc, etc, etc. Sometimes we cant see the wood for the tress when we are all stressed out and scared. We live to regret, we can try to put things right..... There will always be winners and losers in certain situations.. You just have to find some middle ground that you feel is fair and just.

Good luck Ryan, I am rooting for you to make that call.
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Post by Ryan84 » Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:37 am
Thanks again Lily..

I do know that your idea is best.. I guess im just too frustrated to think straight..

[quote]OK you might not have as much money as you want or feel you deserve right now,[/qote]

- the term here is NEED.. i need enough money to get me through the month.. My job is very much a problem solving job.. I work with the NHS, we design and impliment their business and patient critical systems and if i need to be on site with a days notice..

then [bold] I NEED TO BE THERE[/bold]

If towards the second of third week into the month, my account hits 0.00 (which it almost always does) - then its a serious problem..

if the trust deed takes more cash.. that problem won't be fixed.. ive been to the doctor and on the 1st of July i will have my last cigorette. that'll help a little but still..

Im not going to call them, my review is due around august.. July is going to be an insane month for me and i'll just hold off till it comes around.. its way to late for me to save myself.. the big brown smelly stuff is about to hit the fan weather i make the call, or wait..

I really messed up (Again) and yeah, my salary increased.. doesnt mean my situation improved.. I can see why some of you might resent that implication..


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Post by kal » Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:45 am
I think when you do phone them, explain everything that you are saying here - it is in the interest of your IP to not fail this IVA, so hopefully they can come to some sort of mutual agreement (although you will have to be prepared for a hefty rise).
is there no way you can have some sort of kitty, or company credit card, that can allow you these expenses, that would surely help you out each month - it seems unfair that you have to fork out initially.
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Post by rayb » Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:47 am
Quote :I really messed up (Again) and yeah, my salary increased.. doesnt mean my situation improved.. I can see why some of you might resent that implication..

I am a bit confused you get a fixed payment on an IVA to pay monthly you then get an £18K raise on your salary and you are honestly telling me your situation did not improve with the additional monies????? I know you said you travel around a bit but surely it cannot cost that much and you live at home with your parents!!!
 
 

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Post by Ryan84 » Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:53 am
Blase - thats twice now someones said im being "Blase"

Didnt know the term and felt i had to look it up:

1.Uninterested because of frequent exposure or indulgence.

2.Unconcerned; nonchalant: had a blasé attitude about housecleaning.

3. Very sophisticated.


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You can be as bitter and as judgemental as you like, I happen to have a thick skin.. I didnt plan on being judged and have so many heads shaken at my situation by some self rightious imbiciles..

I asked for help and a better understanding of my situation.. Do you think i havent been where you are??

I'll tell you how i got into the debt i got into.. I just wanna make sure you know im not some little squander of money..

When i was 18 my 17 year old girlfriend fell pregnant.. It was traumatic, scary and exciting but her parents were pretty horrible to her..

Getting to the point she took her own life.. unborn kid with her.. I had some kind of a breakdown.. I intended to follow in her footsteps and bought everyone around me something special.. and i BLEW so much money (that i never intended to pay back)..

Someone saved my life when i tried and after heading to hell and back i straightend myself out.. went back to work.. it wasnt till about a year later i realised how much of a mess i now had to fix..

Depression and sircumstances make you do some crazy things and I will not allow the past, what happend and how i dealt with it ruin my future..

Think what you want about me and shake your head at me.. i don't care.. I just wanted to hear diffrent perspectives of my options for the future..

Cheers..
Ryan
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Post by kallis3 » Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:53 am
Kal,

Even if he has to fork the money out, he gets it back, so after the first month he should have been ok.

rayb, I am with you. I cannot see how anyone cannot manage after the payrise he has had. I also think he is being totally dishonest by not phoning his IP and informing them. His IP's reaction will be interesting when he does inform them.
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Post by zoe » Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:56 am
Me too - especially living with parents - the take home pay on 28K is about £1750!!!!
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