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Post by mikebdomain » Tue Sep 11, 2007 2:15 pm
OK thanks - point taken - sorry about the rant...

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Post by catullus » Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:06 pm
We seem to have got off the subject of middlemen.

I know there are good packagers of IVA's but, in my experience, there are as many bad one's out there as there are good.I know a number of IP's who simply start again, after the referral, normally having to put the client right on a host of issues that have been glossed over by the introducer and reworking the figures that the client doesn't agree with.

I'm not necessarily talking about DM companies here, but they certainly feature in this topic, and the problem stems from badly trained staff being pushed to sell on remuneration packages that incentivise taking short cuts and glossing over the nasty bits.

I know that there are a number of IP's who simply do not provide a satisfactory service but the regulatory regime is in place to deal with these people and IP's are required to maintain detailed records to record the reasons why they have acted in a particular way. It's then down to the regulators to do their job.

But the middlemen have no regulators.The OFT and the provision of consumer credit licenses in the debt industry seems to be virtually automatic and apart from a relatively minor shot over the bows regarding advertising earlier in the year you don't hear much about the OFT taling the unregulated debt industry to task.

And while this board is testament to some of the failings of IP's, don't forget that they are subject to the most effective regulator of all, the creditors who will vote no to poorly presented and uncommercial proposals.

I'm afraid kpw that I don't generally share your view that middlemen, within our industry, are a good thing, whilst they remain unregulated, and until the DRF gets its act together on this sector the client will more than likely continue to suffer.

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Post by Adam Davies » Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:57 pm
Hi
Well I can count on one card then
Where are we with the debt resolution forum ? They threatened legal action regarding the TIX proposal but how far have they got with the "drf professional accreditation project"they seemed very keen at their meeting in June.Does anyone know how big the take up for the forum has been from the IPs ?
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Post by MelanieGiles » Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:59 pm
The TiX issue now seems to be largely resolved with a general consensus that a £2,000 nominee fee and an unlimited 15% supervisory fee will become acceptable. We are still awaiting final confirmation of this, however.

I have no dealings with the DRF so cannot comment on that particular project.

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Post by Adam Davies » Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:31 pm
Hi
Well that sounds promising and will at least make the lower monthly IVAs a bit more viable to IPs.With no upper limit lets hope that IPs take the good[high value IVAs ]and the bad[low value IVAs]
Swings and roundabouts is the saying !!
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Post by catullus » Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:07 pm
From what I've heard I don't think that DRF has made very much progress over the last few months and has got rather distracted by the TIX issue.

I also understand that there is considerable doubt as to whether the draft standards that were circulated some time ago can/ever will be adopted because they would shut the DM industry down overnight!!

Progress on the TIX issue is encouraging but they are voting in accordance with their protocol at the moment.We're not adopting their fee structure and are forcing them to modify which, bless them, they are doing rather than vote the whole proposal down.

Interesting times!!
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