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Post by shaved_ape » Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:27 pm
We were faced with the same predicament. We were sent a letter saying that according to their information DFD insisted that our property is worth £86k and we needed to give permission for our details to be passed to their "recommended broker" so a mortgage offer could be presented to the creditors.

Thanks to some good advice on this forum, we checked the wording on our Chairmans Report to find it said that we had to provide 2 offers from mortgage providers and the Supervisor would choose the one with the highest yeild to finalise the payment. There was no mention of a specific lender or broker. Also, we have just had our house valued and its actually £68k and we have a mortgage balance of £56k which, if we followed their demands we would not only be culpable for mortgage fraud but plunged directly in the deep end of negative equity. We are currently in the process the paper exercise of remortgaging by our own lender and another lender to fulfill our obligation to the letter. I have told DFD that I under the Data Protection Act I do not consent to them giving my details to any third parties. I had a shirty email back threatening us with Bankruptcy but again theres nothing written into the agreement about them being the only people we can remortgage with. I really feel that these people should be brought out in public for their actions so that good, helpful IP's like Melanie are not tarred with the same brush.
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Post by Foggy » Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:41 pm
I am always dubious of these firms ( or, indeed, anybody ) who go for ( as Heretoday put it) the nuclear option right away -- threats and bullying tactics right off the bat! Always smacks of something to hide when they go super defensive.
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Post by Course » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:18 pm
In regards to shaved_ape's post I think its Sickening that DFD think they can threaten you with bankruptcy because you dont apply with a company of there choice (and in my opinion probably linked to them)!

If there is a financial link between DFD and there specific lender/broker then there seems to be a conflict of interest and it should be reported through the correct channels.

If it becomes the case that there recomended broker is able to give you large credit with large interest rates when no one else will touch you with a barge pole then it doesnt sound right to me.

And since when did DFD become Chartered Surveyors or Estate Agents and manage to value your house without visiting you or stepping inside ??

They will lose work fast if they keep this up .
 
 

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Post by plasticdaft » Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:53 pm
I wonder if people in ivas 8 years ago all had subprime remortgages found for them by their ip's??

A nasty turn of events if people are pushed into these loans.

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Post by shaved_ape » Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:52 pm
DFD's parent company owns a sub prime loan company. I'm pretty sure this is their "preferred mortgage broker". It wouldn't be as bad if it actually mentioned this anywhere in our agreement but it doesn't so as far as I'm concerned all the bullying and coercion we are facing is someone desperately attempting to hold on to their commission. The point is actually moot anyway as we have had an official valuation that says our house is not worth anywhere near the figure they have projected and we have less than 4k of available equity. I bet they will try to wriggle out of this somehow.
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Post by sponge » Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:09 pm
when you say a offical valuation do you mean RICS valuation? This is the one that will count, if you throw the gaunlet down with that, they will have no where to go!
 
 

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Post by shaved_ape » Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:21 pm
Yeah, just checked the guy who ran the valuation is covered by the RCIS. [:)]
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Post by 12 months to go » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:41 am
Hi Geoff

Remember to tell us the name of the "specialist lender " that DFD have put you on to

Some of us are wondering if its a company that's owned by them ,which could be nothing more than speculation on my part , but I am curious ?
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Post by Til » Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:20 pm
I would like to who the secured loan lender is too as we are due to do the house/equity thing with DFD in October so I am taking notes on all aspects of this.

As per the other thread I am concerned that it is possible that a secured loan is not what the clauses state but can DFD submit a modification to allow for a secured loan without the debtor agreeing to the modification?
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Post by MerlinL14 » Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:36 pm
I am sure one of the expert IP's who are members here will comment soon, however I am led to believe that all modifications must be agreed by the creditors and the 'customer' for them to be ratified. I also think this is going to turn into the next big IVA fiasco after PPI. No wonder the DFD rep stopped visiting here and answering questions if they seen this on the horizon!
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Post by shaved_ape » Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:43 pm
DFD told me that we couldn't use a secured loan as they only allow 65% LTV whereas their Preferred Mortgage Broker offered upto 80%. I could understand this vein of logic as it obviously gives the creditors a better dividend. Perhaps they are offering Secured Loans for people who for age reasons cannot remortgage.
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Post by Johndylan » Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:49 pm
This is worrying. Having just entered into an IVA, mine mentions in the event that i am unable to remortgage, either 12 additional contributions or a third party sum equivalent to 85% of my interest in the property. How is the latter to be interpreted?
 
 

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Post by herbekj » Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:57 pm
Does it say which you have to do?

If 12 months gave say £2000 but a third party sum gave £4000 but likely to cost you a hell of lot more who decides?

Personally a very worrying agreement as it potentially means any amount at any rate over any number of years if they get someone to give you that loan.
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Post by Til » Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:59 pm
That's an interesting side point shaved_ape as the LTV ratio's may well affect each case of secured loan vs re-mortgage?
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Post by UpToMyNeckInIt » Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:02 pm
Hi JohnDylan,

Very interesting point: I raised the 'third party sum' in an earlier thread:

http://www.iva.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=49779

I suggested that a 'third party' could be a secured loan company, but other forum members believe this would normally be along the lines of 'eg: from a friend or relative'.

Personally, I believe the term 'third party' is so wide ranging, it could be either.

Will be keeping an eye out for any developments, and just pray that I have insufficient equity in year 4.
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