from penaltycharges a few questions...

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fabienne

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Post by fabienne » Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:52 pm
hello all and well done for the good job, i may have met some of you in London in front of the OFT...

I am uk admin on the Penaltycharges website, and we help people claiming their bank charges for free (self-helping website)

we have come accross a few cases where people will have IVA and are asking if claiming that bank charges back will affect their case?

Well i can't answer that as i haven't got a clue...

I am sure that we can get bank charges back, as thay are unlawfull, and that the judges,, now fed up with the banks abusing the court system, are simply stricking out the banks' defenses and asking the claimant to order judgement by return!

well, some of the cases we had were bad to the point that once all the charges were back onto their account, they were debt free....

So in the process of calculating the IVA, is it possible to remove from the total debts the amount due in unlawful bank charges?

As the iVA can chop off 75% of the total , is it worth it reclaiming the charges?
Or will it make the total amount due smaller and in some cases should be done?

what do you think?

i love your smilies by the way [8~2] [xo]

If there is anything i can do to help with the bank charges, should you think it to be usefull for your members, please let me know.

As we more and more have to deal with debt problems of serious proportions, we do send them to CCCS if we are sure that DMP is best plan, or to you (Sorry!) if we think IVA is looking like a better option.

well, voila!
fabienne
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Kind regards, Fabienne, www.penaltycharges.co.uk
 
 

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Post by herbek » Sun Jan 07, 2007 9:04 pm
Your statement

'Haven't got a clue' just about sums up this thread.

On top of that I do not like the tone of your post.

As someone in an IVA I will amazingly be only take advice from someone that does understand our problems and there is already a good link to possibly retrieving these funds.

Admins - please delete this thread, it is not helpful to those entering an IVA or those in one.
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Post by fabienne » Sun Jan 07, 2007 9:38 pm
So i am asking you some advice about the consequences of reclaiming bank charges for some one who have a IVA because you are the expert and i don't have a clue about the IVA, and you think it is best to delete the thread?

thank you for the help.
Kind regards, Fabienne, www.penaltycharges.co.uk
 
 

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Post by herbek » Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:24 pm
Sorry, but you are an admin of a sophisicated website regarding reclaiming bank charges but start your thread by saying you know nothing about IVAs.

Just for the record this is actually something that I am actually going to be looking at now that the IVA was approved which is why I viewed this post when it was appeared but starting off with 'I know nothing about this' isn't helpful. You have not been through what we have!

A more constructive approach would have been :-

I run a website www.xyx.com that is free website to help people reclaim unlawful bank charges and would like to have information from people in IVAs about your experiences doing this for the wonder community.

Sorry, bit calmer now, last 6 months were hell.

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Post by fabienne » Sun Jan 07, 2007 11:07 pm
I am sorry that you had a bad time.
You seem to be resenting me for not knowing about IVAs?
No i haven't been throught what you have, but i am trying to help people that have, or may have too.
I know a bit, but not enough to understand the legal implications of the charges claiming process, and i can't see why i should lie for the sake of sounding more knowledgeable than i am.

and i don't think our site is anymore sophisticated that yours, or what give you the impression that i was thinking that. we are just normal people, trying to create a support network, like you.

I am only trying to get us to work together.

I cannot say i can advice people with IVAs about bank charges, because i do not know about the implication on the legal frame, and i don't want to give wrong advice before i gather the knowledge.
Once someone about IVA have confirmed that it will not dammage the process of the IVA (that involve taking creditors that have applied charges to court) i will be happy to pass on my knowledge, until then, i will wait for the OK of your admin, as the purpose of the process is to help people, not create more stress or problems.
Kind regards, Fabienne, www.penaltycharges.co.uk
 
 

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Post by neverending » Mon Jan 08, 2007 8:33 pm
Fabienne makes a good point in that if you are seeking to reclaim bank charges from a creditor that is part of your IVA then advice must be sought from your IP just in case there are any clauses in your terms and conditions that will affect you.Also any money reclaimed would,I think,form part of your income and will have to be paid into the IVA[hopefully only 50%].
If you try and claim charges from a creditor prior to an IVA then you run the risk of the creditor closing your account and,if in place,overdraft.This could cause you to enter an IVA before you are ready to.
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Post by fabienne » Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:17 am
Thank you for your answer, neverending,
Looks like a no, we can't do that if it make things more difficult, according to T&Cs of IVAs.
So i have more questions!
Will it be worth asking the creditors during IVA negociations (by IP to politely request that any unlawful bankcharges applied to the account in arreas to be removed from the total due?

The gain is not taxable, it has the status of a debt to you.
Creditor can "charge" a debt on a third party owning you money (here, themselve) but the interest will be considered to be an income.
So your creditor will be entitled to pay back the money into your account (where you own money), unless the terms of the IVA are making the credit aggreement you had with them void, and replaced by the IVA contract?
Are the T&Cs of an IVA regulated? Could someone send me some so i can have a look and see if any terms stop you for claiming that charges?

Do you think that will reduce the lengh of the IVA?

Or be seen as an extra payment, and you will not really have any adventage for yourself for doing so?

Reclaiming after the IVA is not possible because of the limitation act, (6 years in England, NI, and wales, 5 Years in Scotland) unless you inform the creditor of your intention to do so, or that you are aware of the problem at the beginning of the IVA. It them voids the limitation act for your right to claim.
That could be a road to explore?

The next problem is the one year review, as i understand it is a point when the creditors can change the contract, depending on your circonstances?

We do advice to open a second account to operate from, as a few banks (3 i know of, don't know if i can post names?) close the account , and claim the overdraft, Once the court is made aware of this, they have to stop as the court will consider that they are putting pressure on you because of the court claim (guess what, that is unlawful as well...) and can order all action to be stopped for that account until the claim is settled or judgement is granted..

You can also put formally the account in legal dispute, (seems obvious it is, as amount is been disputed in court, but bank ignore that "detail", in order to pressure you to stop claiming).
Then all action must be stopped on the account.

The process of reclaiming the charges i think should be done sort of through IP, when looking at amount due by creditor, to remove the unlawful bank charges?

The process is simple, but it is a battle, and if you are already up your neck with efforts to sort it out, an IVA will get you out of most of the pain...why take more?

I will give you an example of one of our member,
he owns overdraft £430
Credit card 1 £4500
Credit card 2 £6200
Loan £12000
Total debt: £23130
was asked to repay more than he could afford as his circonstances changed: (he had a serious unforseen medical problem)

when he received his 6 years statements, he realised that bank own him £1200 in charges (more than overdraft he was getting Debt collectors for!)
CC1 £950
CC2 £1200
Loan £530
total charges: £3880
so his debts were really £19250

Will having the charges out of the total make a real difference if he was to need an IVA, as the only way out of his situation?

Another bad point for someone in financial distress, is that the process takes months (getting shorter with the help of judges, as explained above)
Even if the actions are stopped, what is the point where i can say
"don't bother, go for IVA, you need help now"
Or should we contact IP and inform them of the situation, will they consider it in the situation?
Kind regards, Fabienne, www.penaltycharges.co.uk
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