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Post by fujiboy » Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:56 pm
Hi This is my first post and have read lots of threads here. The question is whether I could do an IVA with the following set of debts below. I own a property in Spain which I can not sell & costs have rocketed due to the euro rate.

I have done an Income/expense form with CCCS and disposable income per month would be around £700 per month. My biggest worry is HMRC as my biggest creditor as they are threatening to make me BR but not sure if they would accept an IVA.

Any advice would be most welcome as at my wits end. I'm a self employed computer programmer and BR would stop me working.


First Direct £28,726.80
Mint £7,318.83
Marbles £9,485.81
Morgan Stanley £4,877.41
Goldfish £3,000.00
MBNA Loan £2,408.48
MBNA Credit Card £17,540.93
Egg £9,643.68
HM Customs & Excise £56,700.78

Total Debt £139,702.72
 
 

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Post by David Mond » Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:03 pm
A 30p in the £ dividend is appropriate for your IVA proposal, but would need to know more about the Spanish Property and who funds the costs associated with it.

Were any of your current debts used to pay for the Spanish property?
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Post by Michael Peoples » Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:05 pm
HMRC support IVA proposals that are best offer, all creditors are treated equally and all assets are addressed. They do not like non compliance so any outstanding returns should be submitted even if you do not have the funds to pay what is owing.

Given the threat of BR it is imperative that any proposal is put forward quickly. The Spanish property can be dealt with in the proposal depending on equity, rental income, mortgage payments etc and is not unusual.

You will need to provide cash flow projections or possibly a profit and loss showing allowances for future PAYE, VAT and personal income tax [where applicable]. Finally, in bankruptcy you should be able to continue to work as it is in no one's interest to stop you from earning a living.
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Post by MelanieGiles » Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:18 pm
Hi there

I am assuming that you are self-employed - if so what line of business are you in and what tax years does the HMRC debt relate to?

Do you feel that the budget worked our for you by CCCS is affordable and sustainable over a five year period?
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Post by fujiboy » Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:19 pm
Thanks for that. The ongoing costs in Spain have been included in my income/expenses with CCCS, & thankfully have just managed to get a 1 year fixed rate mortgage arranged with Spnish bank to hopefully give me time to sell.

The property is currently valued at 190000 euros, 160000 oustanding on mortgage. Paid 250000 euros for it 5 years ago before my very messy & expensive divorce.
 
 

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Post by MelanieGiles » Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:22 pm
Do you live in the property in Spain?
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Post by fujiboy » Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:22 pm
Hi Melanie,

Yes self employed Computer Contractor, director of Limited company & currently working for RBS!! The tax debt relates to 06/07 and 07/08 but my tax returns are fully up to date.

But yes I feel budget would be maintanable as long as I remained employed. I have been doing this for 15years now, just Divorce and Spain has caused all the trouble.

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Post by fujiboy » Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:24 pm
No I do not live in Spain.
 
 

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Post by Michael Peoples » Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:33 pm
Are the debts to HMRC company debts or personal debts and when did you form the limited company? Are HMRC threatening a winding up order or a personal bankruptcy petition?
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Post by fujiboy » Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:38 pm
Debts to HMRC are all personal debts. Partnership has no debts which includes Limited company formed 5 years ago.
 
 

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Post by MelanieGiles » Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:54 pm
You do need to take advice from an insolvency practitioner directly, who can explain to you all of the options available to you. An IVA seems a sensible way forward if you wish to avoid bankruptcy proceedings.
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Post by Michael Peoples » Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:57 pm
Seems like an IVA is certainly an option and given that the property in Spain is up for sale the main question raised would be if it can pay for itself until sold. If it can be rented out for long enough each year to meet the mortgage and maintenance costs there would be no real pressure to sell it. If it cannot creditors may seek an auction sale as they would be loathe to allow you to continue the mortgage payments indefinitely. Any shortfall in the property would be included as a debt in the IVA and any equity raised would go into the IVA pot for the benefit of creditors.

Given the complexity of your case a face to face meeting would be required with your IP which you should arrange as soon as possible.
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Post by fujiboy » Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:59 pm
Thanks for that Melanie, CCCS are suggesting I speak to Grant Thornton, but I guess no harm in getting a 2nd opinion.

Has anyone had any experience with GT? Good or bad?
 
 

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Post by kallis3 » Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:02 pm
To find a good IP, either visit www.iva.com where you will find a list of companies and reviews, or click on the expert link on the left hand side of the page.

All of the professionals who post on here come highly recommended, and will be able to advise you about your options.
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Post by fujiboy » Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:21 pm
Thanks for all your replies, sounds like I have a good chance of avoiding BR.

I feel a lot better :-)
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