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Post by Gibbs » Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:37 pm
Hi, I am new to IVA and don't know which option is best for me. I have read some good and bad points about IVA and would some advice to whether this option is right for me. How long does it take to set up, how long is the normal duration, what is the IP normal fee, what is the process etc. could someone advise thanks.
 
 

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Post by Foggy » Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:51 pm
Gibbs, I suggest you have a chat with a couple of firms to discuss specifics (personally, I would avoid the "IVA factories" and go for the smaller, more personal, firms).

They generally take 8 - 12 weeks to set up ( according to the complexity of your own situation and the speed you can get everything together).

Normally they last 5 years, sometimes 6 ( if your creditors suggest this additional year).

Fees .... these days you'd be looking at £1500 - £1750 Nominees fee, then 15% of realisations as Supervisors fee. These will be agreed between your IP and creditors and will come out of your usual repayments.
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Post by UpToMyNeckInIt » Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:07 pm
Hi Gibbs,

Welcome to the forum - good advice there from Foggy.

You have provided no indication of your circumstances eg: debt level, your income, amount of assets etc. So this is purely my opinion, speaking as an IVA customer:

Please consider the ramifications before entering an IVA - speak to a few providers to see if it is the right option for you. Remember: It is a form of insolvency, which in turn potentially puts all sorts of restrictions on everything from the ability to open a decent bank account, or even get a mobile phone on contract.

Research other options as well: Debt Management Plans, and bankruptcy as per your financial circumstances.

If you feel the IVA is right for you, go to: www.iva.com / Google 'Insolvency Practitioner Reviews'. Contrary to what some might have you believe, many don't charge you anything 'up-front'. In any event, their fees are paid out of your monthly IVA payment (and agreed by your creditors).

Speak to 2-3 firms (the IP's that post on this forum are probably a good place to start).

By all means seek advice from the ‘charity’ organisations, but don’t be afraid to approach a private firm if they don't think you are eligible for an IVA.

I have a cynical view of the so-called 'independent' charities (Stepchange, National Debtline etc…) - they are all sponsored/funded by the banks/credit companies, and I can't help feeling that was who’s interests they were looking out for when they advised me. They tried pushing me towards a debt management plan (would have taken 15-20 years to pay off my debt + loads of interest).

Be aware: Stepchange, on the aparently rare occasion that they suggest an IVA, will likely refer your IVA to Grant Thornton anyway - one of the said 'iva factories' that Foggy has eluded to. (Just google 'Grant Thornton Complaints' or have a look at some of the other forum posts here to see why that may not be in your best interests). They are very competent etc. I'm sure (most of the problems seem to be associated with delays in closing the IVA, associated with reclaiming PPI). But with only a handful of IP's to cover their 20,000+ customer portfolio (nearly half the IVA market basically), one-to-one customer service is probably not their strong suit.

Saying all that, I am sure that some private firms will ‘over-sell’ IVA’s to people for whom it may not be the best solution. So be careful to differentiate the sound advice from the sales-patter.

You will have to work out your income and expenditure. Whatever is left over is your IVA payment. Regarding what is deemed 'reasonable' expenditure: All IPs that I’ve come across make reference to the Stepchange Budget Guidelines Report here.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7LabJy ... edit?pli=1

(Sorry, have not yet been able to get hold of the latest version that came out in October, but the figures only differ by a couple of quid here and there).

It is well worth a read, as it covers every form of expenditure, right the way down to allowances for hairdressing, kid's school dinners, meals at work, even hobbies etc.

If you are careful to correctly record your income and expenditure, your IVA payment should be set at quite an affordable level. Many people underestimate their expenditure and subsequently have difficulty.

Before you get things in motion, it is worth trying to withdraw what you can IN CASH, NOW. This is because many creditors, once they get wind of an IVA application, will freeze your accounts without warning. You may therefore need this cash buffer to tide you over.

Equity release (if applicable): Bear in mind that, however unlikely it is currently likely to happen, most IVA's require homeowners to (subject to a property valuation in Month 54 of the IVA), attempt to release equity via remortgage (and in rare cases - secured loan) up to 85% LTV to increase creditor dividend up to 100p in the £. (Subject to reasonable affordability criteria). For most, equity release is not possible, so your IVA goes on for a 6th Year instead (which usually works out a lot cheaper). But who knows what the economic climate will be like in 4-5 Years time?

Bank Accounts: If you still are in the pre-approval stage, and any of your debts are with your existing bank, you need to open a full current account with a non-creditor institution now! (less overdraft of course). Best not to reveal that you are considering an IVA though (no requirement to volunteer such information).

Important to do this before you are on the insolvency register, as you will then be VERY limited to a handful of basic accounts.

Do not switch to HSBC/First Direct: when they find you on the insolvency register, (which they will), they will make you close your account.

Glad I went the IVA route in the end - can now sleep at night, Hope you get back on track financially soon as well.

Good luck.
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Post by back on track » Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:23 pm
the only company I would not suggest going with is grant thornton as they at the moment are terrible at communications and tying up at the end when you finnish.
theres no such thing as a "iva factory" as each iva company have to run the iva's the same way.the difference come when the "smaller" companys can give you a bit more time as they have not got so many cases on.mel and micheal fall into the last catergory and they also give a lot of there own time to the forum,so yes they might be the way forward to get your case appraised.im with a factory based firm "payplan" and can honestly say with hand on heart they have been great through my initial proposal stage right through the 5 years I have done and cannot say they are a bad bet.go with what the others have said and contact a couple of companys and then go with whoever you feel at ease with.
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Post by Foggy » Sun Nov 17, 2013 3:35 pm
Excellent advice there from both UpTpMyNeckInIt and BackonTrack. However, I would qualify the comments about there being no such thing as an IVA factory: Yes, IVA's should be run on the same guidelines. However many aspects are open to discretion and, in some instances, interpretation, as a read around the forum will illustrate.

All of the companies mentioned have many, many happy clients and one man's meat is, indeed, another man's poison. You do need to shop around to see who YOU feel most comfortable dealing with. An IVA is an intimate financial relationship.
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Post by Hair_bobbles » Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:19 pm
Hi Gibbs- I think how successful you are will depend on who you choose to be your ip.

Look into a couple of firms. Iva.com has reviews of quite a few. ( although after joining the forum & discovering Melanie giles I think if we'd known a bit more about an iva ourselves,we would have gone with her company. But having said that I think we landed on our feet with who we were referred to. Fortunately- although there was no personal touch)

There's a couple of things that are a must: open a new bank account with a provider you don't have debt with & do it now, hopefully you'll get a debit card with your account. & as uptomyneckinit says squirrel away some cash.

Once you've set the ball in motion for an ip proposal - put what you're shelling out on debt at the moment to one side as you may find you'll have to send in a payment to your ip before the iva starts.

There's not a lot of room for manoeuvre in an IVA. although it seems you can take payment breaks in dire circumstances but then the payment break time is added at the end of the iva. ( prolonging it)

You will not be able to get any credit or 6 years once the iva starts.

Will your car last for another 6 years? -

You will not get a morgage during the iva even if you pay it off early. & you might not be able to get a morgage after the 6 years is up. However there are two morgage experts that post & have helped ex iva'ers to get morgages.

We completed our joint iva in August. Make no mistake it's been tough. But we managed, lived within means & on a couple of occasions I managed to make small adjustments to the budget.

We rent so we didn't have to worry about affording any repairs or broken down boilers to fix. But at the same time as your're credit file will be stuffed up- moving is a problem.

The iva will bring your finances & spending back into line. The buzz word being BUDGET BUDGET BUDGET,,
The reality being you will not be able to afford anything more than your bills & housekeeping & your iva payment which will change to a higher payment if your income increases.
Holidays are considered as a luxury & we certainly didn't have anything set in our budget to accomodate birthdays or Xmas.

But having said that we have managed to go camping every year as I'm very good at " squirrelling " ( we were "campers" before entering the iva so already had all the gear) - its still a holiday!!

Personally I think a DMP is a waste of time.

An iva is an alternative to bankruptcy

Its tough but achievable. It was probably a bit harder for us cos my husband is self employed & doesn't have a set income coming in every month. Feast or famine - but over the year it averages out. & no he is not in a cash rich business-

We stuck our heads down & got on with & I think if you have that attitude ,,you'll succeed.
IVA COMPLETED & CLEAN CREDIT FILE.

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Post by Gibbs » Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:59 pm
Thank you all for some great advice, I'm hoping that I could speak to a few recommended firms now to have a chat and find out my best options. Budgeting I'm expecting, been living on a shoestring thus far so think would be a relief to have some breathing space financially. Again a lot of great advice and a lot to think about, I would have struggled on for as long as I could but evening working 2 jobs I am just working to pay bills and not enough to buy a food shop let alone petrol to travel to work.
The way things are looking at the moment for me, can't see a light under the tunnel and haven't for a while. I'm hoping to get things sorted once and for all and not to have to continuously worry about being able to earn enough just to cover my debts.
Iv heard of DMPs, IVAs and have even considered bankruptcy.
I don't know what to do, all I know is that meeting those bill demands are getting harder by the month.
Need a good IP who will look me.
 
 

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Post by Kelly O » Sun Nov 17, 2013 9:36 pm
Hi Gibbs and welcome to the forum :-)

I can see you have had some great advice from other posters and don't have much too add, just that any good adviser will discuss bankruptcy, DMPs and IVAs with you in detail so you can make a decision about which is the best option for you
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Post by Michael Peoples » Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:09 am
You need to concentrate on the most important things now such as mortgage/rent, heat and light, food and clothes etc. You and your family [if there is one] must be put first and creditors can be dealt with later. Good advice from the other posters and certainly shop around before you make any decision at all.
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