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Post by adam090376 » Wed May 23, 2007 9:08 am
Hi All
Well I have my proposal from Accuma and having read through the proposal it seems fair enough and understand most of it just a few questions to go back to the IP with that maybe one of the experts can answer.
1 - I can no find any mention of overtime or bouns having to be paid 50/50. What does this mean for me? Bouns or overtime were not part of the proposal as it is not guranteed so do I get to keep this money if it comes along?
2- I have been asked to refer to section 27 of the standard terms and conditions regarding windfalls but can not find any clear answers there does anyone know what this? No mention of windfalls in actual proposal either?
3- My propsal mentions a bankruptcy restriction order what is this?
Finally how do you think my proposal looks?
To give you an overview I owe £32,743 in unsecured debt as well as £2,987 in a log book loan against my car. The proposal is for me to pay £261 for 15 months which in that time the log book loan will be paid and then 45 payments of £461. The return is 52p in the £.
My creditors are as follows
Egg Loan £14,535
Egg Card £1,693
Citi Financial Loan £1,603
Barclaycard £3,302
Halifax Credit Card £4,894
Capital One Card £1,295
Sytle Financial Services 1,035
HFC Bank £1,399
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Post by adam090376 » Wed May 23, 2007 9:35 am
Sorry my mistake the total debt is £32,743 including the log book loan.
 
 

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Post by accgroup » Wed May 23, 2007 11:28 am
Hi Adam

There is no standard clause in your IVA proposal regarding overtime or bonuses having to be paid in because it is not guaranteed so unless your creditors put forward a modification at the creditors meeting (which they commonly do) you will not have to pay this into the IVA.

The windfall clause refers you to paragraph 27 of the standard terms and conditions - these should have been attached to your proposal, please give your case worker a ring if these were not attached. Paragraph 27 refers to "After Acquired Assets" - effectively anything you acquire during the IVA is claimable by your Supervisor (subject to certain exceptions) - therefore if you acquire a lump sum of cash from a lottery win or inheritance the Supervisor of your IVA (your IP) would claim this from you - to the extent necessary to repay your creditors in full plus any interest.

If you would like any more clarification on this point please give us a call.

A bankruptcy restriction order ("BRO") could be made against you if you were made bankrupt. Because the bankruptcy process changed a few years ago - the duration was reduced to 1 year rather than 3, the BRO was brought in to impose restrictions on people whose behaviour before the making of the bankruptcy order could be considered dishonest or blameworthy - this can include incurring debts at a time when you knew you had no reasonable chance of repaying them, being bankrupt twice in a 6 year period or fraud - for more information go to http://www.insolvency.gov.uk/guidancele ... ro/bro.htm
Please also give us a call if you need us to go through this with you in more detail.

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Post by adam090376 » Wed May 23, 2007 11:37 am
Thanks Accuma
Have rang Colin this morning and gone through it with him. Just another question on the overtime and bouns if it is not in the proposal now I assume the IP wont mention it unless the creditiors want it in? Its not a great deal of overtime but the little bit extra would help if I can keep it all. Just have to hope the subject does not arise at the meeting.
 
 

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Post by Oliver » Wed May 23, 2007 11:58 am
The creditors will often demand a modification that 50% of any overtime, bonus or commission be paid into the IVA. However, if they do not demand this and it is not included then any future monies from these sources can be kept by you.

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Post by MelanieGiles » Wed May 23, 2007 12:06 pm
Hi Adam

I assume that your IP will be calling you to arrange an interview with regard to explaining your proposal in greater detail, so you ought to be able to ask all relevant questions at that time.

These meetings are usually conducted before proposals are sent to clients for signing. Have you already gone through this process? If so, as Accuma say above, if you have any other queries then you should contact them directly.

The important thing to remember is that you must fully understand the nature of the commitment you are taking on. This forum is, unfortunately, littered with posts from people who have signed up to terms and conditions which were either not properly explained to them or that they have misunderstood.

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Post by adam090376 » Wed May 23, 2007 12:33 pm
Hi Melanie/Oliver
I had spoken with Accuma before they sent the proposal and gone through my figures and creditors. I have spoken with them again again today and they have cleared up the above questions for me just wanted a bit insight from you experts as you always give such sound advice. I have read through the propsal several times and gone through the standard terms and conditions. I now understand what is required of me and will be sending the proposal back to Accuma today. What do you think of the figures I am putting forward do you think it sounds OK and are there any harsh/difficult creditors that you know of? I know that it will hinge a lot on Egg as they over 50% of the vote? Also I have just had a nice surprise but I am not sure if I am allowed to take it with the IVA coming up. My girlfriends parents have offered to take to us to Malta at the end of June for a week but with my creditors meeting coming up soon will this be allowed as the creditors meeting could be around then and dont I need to around for it? Would really like to go as it could be the last holiday for a while.
 
 

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Post by MelanieGiles » Wed May 23, 2007 3:04 pm
Hi Adam

There is no doubt in my mind that the attitude of creditors towards IVAs generally is hardening, but it would be unfair to pinpoint certain creditors, as they are all making commercial decisions which suit their own business models.

If your proposal has been thoroughly researched, and you have been honest with all the the information that you have provided, then you should have nothing to worry about.

Go on holiday if you have the opportunity. Malta is lovely, and like you say if might be a while before you get the next one!

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Post by adam090376 » Wed May 23, 2007 3:29 pm
Thanks Melanie
Have had one final chat with Accuma and have signed the proposal and the other documents and put it in the post so no turning back now. Have everything clear in my head now so its just a case of waitng for my meeting date. Will post on here when I have more news. Just another thanks to everyone who posts on this site. You gave me the courage to get my head out of the sand and sort my debt problem out. So far the process has not been to bad Even the phone calls havent been to bad so thanks again one and all.
 
 

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Post by Oliver » Wed May 23, 2007 3:34 pm
Hi Adam

All your creditors currently seem to be open to IVA proposals so I forsee no problem with your proposal as long as it is your best offer to your creditors and that it puts them is a better position than bankruptcy (two things which you can rest assured Accuma would have worked hard to ensure is clear to your creditors).

As regards to the holiday, the answer is absolutely yes you can go. Have a great time.

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Post by Adam Davies » Wed May 23, 2007 3:38 pm
Hi Adam
You seem to have everything under control and clear in your head.Good luck with the creditors meeting I have a feeling that you will have your IVA accepted.
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Post by iva_squirrel » Wed May 23, 2007 4:11 pm
Hi adam_c

All is looking good.
As Oliver and Melanie said you shouldn't have problems with your proposal. So enjoy your holidays and have a great time!


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Michelle P.
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