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Helhan

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Post by Helhan » Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:33 pm
I heard on the radio that last year over 100,000 people claimed insolvency. This was said to be due to IVA's being more widely known about, and people choosing them as an option. They also commented on banks being less sympathetic due to the evr increasing numbers, and saying no to IVA's. Is this true in practice? We are still considering our options, and wondered whether a delay in making a decision to procedd with an IVA might work against us. (We owe £75,000+ to 6 creditors)
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Post by neverending » Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:23 pm
Helhan
Do not rush because you are worried about banks becoming tougher about IVAs.Spend time asking questions on this forum and choosing the correct IP for you.At the end of the day IVAs do produce a better return to creditors than bankruptcy and sooner or later creditors will relax this ridiculous stance.If you are insolvent and have little or no equity in your property and can return more than 25p in the £1 to your creditors via an IVA then a good IP will get it approved.The IPs who do not allow any monthly payments until your IVA is agreed are the ones to go for.After all they earn nothing if they do not get your IVA through.One thing to stick to is the expenditure that you need to survive for 5 years.Be honest and realistic and do not budge from it.
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Post by herbek » Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:19 pm
I've asked this question on another post but didn't get an expert answer but since this fits with my question I'll ask again.

Neverending, you state (quite correctly) that lendors will get a better percentage payout thorugh an IVA then bankruptcy but the question I asked was whether the lenders could financially sustain the loss caused by an IVA and are we realistically looking at a major banking failure in the next year or so due to the insolvency level in the UK.

Yes, the banks may get less through bankruptcy but if the return on an IVA for thousands of their customers would also make them insolvent what's going to happen. For a bank to trade they have to have some sort of 'we got more money in the pot than we could lose' clause with the financial regulatory I believe.

Ridiculous house price inflation for me is hiding a much worse situation that people are in and any downturn is going to make the 100,000 made insolvent in 2006 look like a low year.

Average UK wage 26K - Average UK house 200K - 8x average wage. Don't quote me on these figures - just an illustration but hello, everyone it was 3x when I got mine and I could just afford it at 7.5% interest rates 10 years ago (ish)

58 to go....

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Post by neverending » Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:53 pm
Kevin
IVAs are still a very small part in the banks overall business and it would take a huge increase to make a noticable dent in their profits.Melanie made an interesting point that only 3% of declined IVAs turn into bankruptcies so I cannot fathom out why so many banks refuse to vote or accept IVAs...........they must have plenty of profitable business to outweigh the loss makers.
House prices are keeping most of the UK solvent with people borrowing unsecured debt in the knowledge that they have x amount of equity to cover it if things go wrong.
I am no financial expert Kevin so hopefully someone more informed will be able to give you a better answer.
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Post by herbek » Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:51 pm
Thanks,

It just interests me (as someone in an IVA) just how serious a problem this is for the finacial instituitions and then of course the effect it may have on people trying to enter IVAs.

The financial papers are full of the amounts the banks are setting aside and reductions in profits and that is just being caused by just 100,000 in 2006?

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Post by MelanieGiles » Sat Feb 03, 2007 2:26 pm
Your points are very relevant and topical. The simple fact is that, although the insolvency statistics are greatly inreased, this is directly reflected in a sharp increase in bank unsecured lending. There are irresponsible borrowing and lending practices out there, and some people do think that obtaining and using credit is their automatic right without realsing the cost of borrowing or their ability to pay the money back. Other people fall victim to insolvencies just because something unexpected happens to them such as divorce, job loss, death or illness.

At present the banks are having a beef about the way IVA's are advertised and blaming insolvency practitioners for profiteeringn from this. I agree that some of the solicitation of consumers is inappropriate, and was delighted to hear that steps are being taken to regulate this.

There is nothing wrong with the IVA as a method of debt repayment. They do work for the majority of people and, as Nevernding says, give more money back to the banking system than bankruptcies.

Regards, Melanie Giles, Insolvency Practitioner for over 20 years.
View my IVA blog at: http://melaniegiles.blogs.iva.co.uk
Regards, Melanie Giles, Insolvency Practitioner
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