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Post by cat 1 » Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:23 pm
I just changed buildings and contents insurance.They asked if I was bankrupt along with do I have any crimal offences, convictions.I said no but I'm worrying if I've lied now 'cos do have an IVA? It's not quite the same type of thing is it or am I being naive? Cat
 
 

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Post by emma_t » Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:25 pm
Hi cat

I don't think you have done anything wrong at all, I am sure someone will confirm this soon[:)]

Lots of forms have that question but they don't seem to ask if you are in an iva
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Post by cat 1 » Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:28 pm
..bet they're all too sozzled now? I wonder why they even ask re bankrupcy though? Not criminal to be bankrupt is it? Cat
 
 

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Post by Lisa2009 » Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:28 pm
I'm sure theres nothing to worry about Cat xx
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Post by MelanieGiles » Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:26 am
You have answered the questions truthfully and therefore have nothing to worry about.
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Post by chris.g » Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:42 am
Just digressing a bit, would I need to contact my insurance companies to let them no I am bankrupt? Would it make the premiums increase?
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Post by aguise » Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:42 am
Dont worry I changed mine as well and was asked the same question about bankrupcy. I said "no but I am in an iva," stunned silence "whats an iva" I tried to explain briefly but they went off the phone and checked and said it was ok. As Melanie said you answered correctly no worry.

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Post by MelanieGiles » Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:46 am
Chris

It is worth looking at your policy documents to ensure that your insurance remains valid now you are bankrupt. No reason why it should not, but do check the fine print.
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Post by aguise » Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:52 am
I remember John Tegg saying it was always best to state it so you could have no repurcussions.

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Post by Skippy » Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:50 am
When we moved and Dave changed our contents insurance over he was asked whether anyone in the household was bankrupt. When he said yes the company didn't want to give him the insurance. He had to argue with a manager but the agreed in the end.

The stupid thing was it didn't matter to them that the new house is classed as a flood risk (it was flooded in 1947!), they were more interested in the fact I was BR!
 
 

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Post by wen » Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:37 pm
Seriously Skippy? [:0] What did they think you were going to do? Be more careless with your possessions or just go round leaving doors/windows wide open for stuff to be stolen? Yet no doubt if you had been discharged 1 day that would have been ok? [:(!]
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Post by Skippy » Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:59 pm
I was more upset about the fact they asked 'Is anyone in the house bankrupt or do they have any criminal convictions' as though being BR is a crime!!!

If we'd had any choice about insurers (this was the only company who didn't seem bothered about the flood 'risk') Dave would have told them to stick it and gone elsewhere!

When I renewed my car insurance with Churchill I told them I was BR and the guy asked me what I was telling him for as it didn't make any difference!
 
 

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Post by wen » Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:25 pm
It is strange for some reason I think it is just Home Insurance, as I remember when taking out my contents insurance pre-bankruptcy being asked the question, but not on the car insurance... strange!
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Post by CoverItAll » Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:40 pm
Hi cat 1

This is an extract from a typical clause in an insurance policy relating to "Material Facts"

Any omission, misrepresentation or false statement of a material fact in your application for this insurance or any claim could affect the payment of benefits under this Policy. A material fact is one, which is likely to influence the eligibility and acceptance of your application or claim for insurance. If you are uncertain whether a fact is material you should declare it. If you make a claim which we consider to be fraudulent or exaggerated, all benefits under this Policy will be lost, no refund of Premium shall be payable, and we will seek to recover any benefits paid under that claim.

How do you know whether something is likely to influence the eligibility or acceptance of your application or claim ?

YOU DON'T, AND YOU CAN'T.

If I am considering an application from you for Payment Protection Insurance THERE IS NO WAY FOR YOU TO KNOW HOW MY THOUGHT PROCESSES WORK.

If you decide not to tell the Insurer you are Bankrupt or in an IVA (because you do not consider this to be a material fact), you do not now whether they would have declined your application if that fact had been disclosed. The effect of this is that YOU DO NOT KNOW WHETHER YOU HAVE VALID INSURANCE IN FORCE OR NOT. YOU WILL FIND THAT OUT ONLY WHEN YOU TRY TO MAKE A CLAIM.

The only safe way to proceed is to disclose the information, and have the Insurer CONFIRM TO YOU IN WRITING THAT YOU HAVE DISCLOSED THIS TO THEM, AND THEY HAVE AGREED THAT THIS DOES NOT AFFECT YOUR CONTRACT OF INSURANCE WITH THEM.

When I have posted this in the past, some Forum Members have reacted suggesting that I am being pedantic. My response is this.

THE DAY AFTER YOU SERIOUSLY INJURE SOMEONE IN A ROAD TRAFFIC ACCIDENT IS NO TIME TO FIND OUT THAT YOU ARE UNINSURED !

Finding yourself on the wrong end of legal action for damages that might be greater than £500,000, and the next day receiving a Summons for driving without Insurance, can spoil a Chap's whole day !

Although I was discharged from Bankruptcy in October 1998, an perhaps more importantly BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND HOW THE INSURANCE CLAIMS PROCESS WORKS, I always send the following to any Insurer from whom I am buying cover.


Dear Insurer,

I refer to my application for ***** insurance dated **/**/2008.

Please confirm to me in writing that I have declared to you that

I am / I have been

Bankrupt / in an Individual Voluntary Arrangement / in an informal arrangement with my Creditors (Debt Management Plan)

Please also confirm tht having received this disclosure from me, you have agreed that this does not affect my contract of ***** insurance with you at all.


I am sorry that this is so longwinded but it's bad enough having to pay expensive insurance prewmiums, without finding that your insurance is not valid. You could complete your iVA satisfactorily, only to find yourself made Bankrupt through your inability to pay damages to a third party.

My suggested letter wording above provides a sure fire "belt and braces" confirmation that your insurance cover is sound, and the Insurer CANNOT then dismiss your claim on the grounds of non-disclosure. If they will not confirm this to you in writing, then it's time to move to an Insurer that will.
John Tegg
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Post by cat 1 » Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:46 pm
thanks John I will do this.They will send the policy and I do have a 14 day cooling off period.However to do this will possibly mean that there may be a period of time that I have no insurance cover for my house.This too would present with a problem? Cat
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