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Post by Chris.z » Sun Jun 10, 2007 11:19 am
I have posted on here a few times and it really is a brilliant forum, I am currently in an IVA but struggling. I have seen a few people comment on some IVA providers, but my company Debtmatters seem to be conspicuous by their abscence wondered if anyone had any views on this company as I have some concerns and problems with them???

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Post by Adam Davies » Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:32 pm
Hi Chris
What problems have you had ??
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Post by Chris.z » Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:49 pm
Wouldn't know where to start really Andy. About a year ago I was in debt and really strugglin to meet payments, basically from living beyond my means and trying to support my partner at the time going through nurse training. I knew nothing of IVA's or DMP's and was totally naive. I was making at the time about 800.00 in payments and could nowhere near manage. I made a few on line enquiries and was absolutely inundated with phone calls from IVA firms all giving me differing advice which I found confusing. Anyway Debtmaters rang me said they worked with alot of people in the NHS (I am a nurse!)so I trusted them really. It all seemed really easy and I was desperate, they asked me to name my affordable sum really it was silly when I look at peoples dvice on hear. They almost made up my income and expenditure, said I had 2 cars when I only had 1, issues like that really. I accepted 350.00 a month just because it was so much better than I payed then. I never ever met my IP, just had phone contact.

Anyway 2 months into my IVA I split with my partner and obviously couldn't cope. I rang to ask for a holiday or to reduce my payments, put in new income and expenditure forms and constantly rang for help as it was worrying me sick, but never did I get an answer. After 7 months , and in this time I made some very reduced payments sometimes only 50.00, I got a letter demanding I recommence 350.00 a month, this by the way equated to 45p in the pound. I wrote back stating I could only afford 220.00 a month and was told this had reduced the dividend to 17p which I could understand as the maths just didn't seem to work out. I mean 45p to 17p when I had only reduced the payment by a third but the dividend almost went down by two - thirds.

So i wrote back saying at a real push ( this meant cancelling my contents insurance) I could afford 235.00 a month the letter I then recieved from dentmatters then said that if I extend my IVA by 24 months to 84 months and pay 240.00 , this would equate to 19,200 being payed back of a 26,000 debt. Debtmatters though said that preparing papers would incur extra costs and the extra 2 years would mean much more costs. With all this taken into account they said thatif I raised the payment to 240-00 then it would mean a dividend of 23.44p in the pound and that they would then take this to creditors on my behalf and let them ' peruse my proposal '.

Obviously I am stressed and confused - I don't want to go Bankrupt even though I have no assets and my regulating body the NMC and my union UNISON have said Bankruptcy won't affect my career. I just feel an obligation to pay back what I can and that at least my creditors will be getting something. What does worry me though is that 3 years ago I had an MI at 33 and know that stress isn't good for me or my health.

Recently I have took advice left right and centre, from Churchwood, Payplan and others and what I am leaning towards is doing a DMP until SIVA's appear and then attempting that , just hope my creditors haven't grown tired and bored of me by then!!!!!!!!!

Overall I have to say I have found Debtmatters , elusive, rude at times, patronising, unrealistic and a complete profit making company with their interests at the centre of it's ethos as opposed to the clients.

Sorry for being so long in my reply Andy!!

Good to get these things of your chest though.

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Post by Adam Davies » Sun Jun 10, 2007 9:12 pm
Hi Chris
It,s difficult for me to comment on your case apart from reminding other people reading it to speak to several companies before committing to one and to,if possible,have a face to face meeting with your IP.
You have done the right thing in contacting your IP as soon as your circumstances changed and it,s a pity that you could not get an agreement earlier on.
Can I ask you why you do not want to go bankrupt ? By entering an IVA you have already shown that you wish to repay your creditors as much as possible.
Bankruptcy would bring an end to your problems alot sooner than the seven or eight years that you could possibly remain in an IVA.
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Post by Chris.z » Sun Jun 10, 2007 9:18 pm
Just feel that I have a moral obligation Andy plus the Stigma associated with it. It does seem a bit strange though that on this forum no one has an opinion of debtmatters??? I presume no-one uses them?

Also Andy my last point about a DMP and then a Siva would give my creditors a higher dividend wih a smaller payment - As fee's a re cheaper. Am I right in thinking this??

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Post by Adam Davies » Sun Jun 10, 2007 9:35 pm
Hi Chris
You could indeed enter a DMP and then enter into a Siva,although there is no guarantee that it will be accepted.Also your debts may be higher by the time you go down this road as in a DMP you may still have interest and charges added.Also you would still have to pay your disposible income into a SIVA for five years.
With no assets bankruptcy must be an option that you should consider.
I suggest that you contact debt matters and get a difinitive answer as to the monthly figure and duration that is needed to conclude your current IVA,then you can decide the best way forward for yourself.
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Post by Rob65 » Sun Jun 10, 2007 9:48 pm
Hi Chris
My IVA is with Debtmatters and I haven't had any major problems with them.
All that I do know is that last year when my case was being dealt with they were inundated with work!
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Post by Chris.z » Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:25 pm
Hi Andy contacted Debtmatters this morning and they are going to propose for me 23.44 dividend - having read lots on this site though am worried as it appears that 25p is the minimum that is accepted, but hey Debtmatters know what they are doing!!

just as an issue for others reading this though - Debtmatters have told me that I will pay 240.00 for 84 months , this equates to 20,160 of a 26,000 debt ( sounds good so far ) However, my creditors as I have said will only be getting 23.44p in the pound, this equates to my creditors recieving, if my maths is correct 6094.40. This means that Debtmatters will actually get 14,060.56p.

This seems a little odd to me or maybe it is the norm??? Any one Know?
 
 

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Post by Adam Davies » Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:01 pm
Well it will be interesting to see if your creditors accept that as it would mean that your fees are 70 percent of money realised.My creditors capped my IP fees at 35 percent.
Just check that your IP is actually proposing a variation meeting and when it will be.
Are you happy to pay this figure for seven years ?
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Post by Chris.z » Mon Jun 11, 2007 6:35 pm
Hi Andy not particularly now I know that my creditors will recieve so little, I am supprised Creditors agree to companies taking such extortionate fee's anyway. I will check that my IP is seeking a variation meeting, do I suspect some scepticism in you asking that Andy??

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Post by MelanieGiles » Mon Jun 11, 2007 6:49 pm
Those fees are disproportionate to the amount being returned to creditors and unlikely to be acceptable. I would think very carefully about agreeing to a varied IVA, which may not be in the best interests of you or your creditors.

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Post by Chris.z » Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:27 pm
Hi Melanie... Could you explain your reply in a little more detail please. Debtmatters obviously think it's viable though I myself have doubts.. Why would a company propose this if it's doomed to failure? And I couldn't believe how disproportionate the fees were... I actually find it scandolous if I am honest.

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Post by Adam Davies » Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:25 pm
Chris
I just can,t see that being accepted,if your IVA fails then any money that you have paid in will go to your IP to cover fees.
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Post by MelanieGiles » Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:36 pm
Chris

I cannot really advise you further on this point without knowing more details about your case. I am merely an observer, and it would be wrong of me to be seen to be critisising another firm when I only have some of the facts.

If your IP is prepared to put his name to this variation, then so be it - and at the end of the day it is down to your creditors to say whether the fees are appropriate or not.

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Post by Chris.z » Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:51 pm
Thanks Melanie for your reply.. I understand that you have to remain professional and totally understand that. I think it is pretty obvious though that when my creditors get less than half that my IP gets that something is wrong. Thankyou though for your time in replying.

Andy - thanks for your advice too - I think I will try and arrange a DMP until SIVA's come into line. What do I do now then just wait til my IVA fails and then contact a DMP providor, ( I think Brightoak was mentioned)or should I contact a DMP now??

Thanks again to everyone for their help and support.

Chris
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