Loss of child Tax Credit from budget.

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Post by angelrainbow » Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:28 am
[quote]Originally posted by ashb



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I don't think any party have come out of this election anything to shout about-But if labour were so good at goverence why have they done to avoid this situation over 13 years?? its always the same-spend-spend and no real understanding of fiscal responsibilities.

By the way my partner is from Peru and you all not going to like what I say now but they are a poor country in relative terms but let me tell you all one thing, they have what we have lost and that is pride, family ties, no greed and are happy with less.

makes you think doesn't it.


labour are never going to create a mess like this again New labour ? even Tony Blair the Champagne Socialist doesnt even agree with all Labour have done.
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Post by Michael Peoples » Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:35 am
It is important that we do encourage people to have children as this will be the next generation whose taxes will fund our pensions in retirement. However, we want to encourage people to have children who will contribute to society and the type of family that Skippy mentions in the article will always abuse the system. There are numerous cases identical to this but this government is attacking the families where there is a parent going to work.

It is vital that children see their parents going to work and benefiting from that. The children will develope a work ethic from an early age and this will show even when they go to school. Children where the parents rip off the system have no incentive to learn because they have no intention of ever going to work. They are disruptive in class and hold back other kids. They cause trouble in their teens and effectively are a drain on society for ever.

While I understand the point of view of those who do not have children, I do believe that we should encourage and support families. The problem is the state is supporting the wrong families and paying the costs for the wrong kids.
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Post by Skippy » Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:45 am
As a compromise, how about stopping child benefit after the second child? The planet (and this country in particular) is over populated as it is without giving people incentives to have large families - no offence meant to anyone who has more than 2 children!
 
 

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Post by Michael Peoples » Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:52 am
I think that is a reasonable compromise and I would support it.
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Post by RHB » Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:06 pm
For new claimants yes
 
 

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Post by Pandy » Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:09 pm
Skippy,
I have been saying the same, I think CB should only be paid for 2 children if people have more then they have to fund them themselves. Might stop a few of the people who us benefits as a lifestyle choice and have more and more kids to gain more income.
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Post by Skippy » Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:22 pm
Yes for new claimants, but I would also take it away from the sort of families I mentioned in my last post - if they can afford all these luxuries they are getting too much in benefits.
 
 

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Post by kallis3 » Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:29 pm
Now I know I'm an old git, but my parents never got benefit as it was never paid for the first child then, only second and subsequent children.

Perhaps it should now be altered as Skippy suggests.
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Post by RHB » Fri Oct 08, 2010 1:39 pm
Which actually would encourage you to haVE more than one!!!
 
 

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Post by kallis3 » Fri Oct 08, 2010 1:44 pm
Mine didn't!
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Post by RHB » Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:55 pm
Maybe you were just too much if a handful lol!!!
 
 

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Post by angelrainbow » Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:02 pm
Stopping child benefit after the second child would hurt a friend of mine. She has nine children (two at uni) and both her and her husband are out of work. I am very worried for them and how will they cope under these cuts. We can't undo the fact they have a large family - what will happen to them I wonder?
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Post by kallis3 » Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:20 pm
RHB - my parents would probably agree with you!
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Post by Skippy » Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:29 pm
I don't think they should just take the money from those who already have it, perhaps phase it out gradually and not give it at all to new parents after the second child (making allowances for multiple births!).

I understand the argument about children being the taxpayers of the future, but in the paper today a woman said it's her right to have a large family and I don't disagree (although I do think it's irresponsible when we are so over populated), but it's not her right to bleed the system dry.
 
 

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Post by phil732 » Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:54 pm
Hi All

Not posted for a while sorry, Hows u Kallis? I agree what else could Mr Cam of done?? he is trying so hard to sort out this mess the lefties lot left us ALL in before they were sacked!! I have a feeling it will get alot worse before it gets better, but I believe we are in safe hands
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