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Post by Adam Davies » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:16 pm
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Ok,what about a remortgage after the first six months of the IVA ? With a lump sum of equity paid in the first year and the mortgage fixed for the remaining term,surely a company will develop a product to suite this change ?
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Post by Andrew Graveson » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:18 pm
Wouldn't the creditors be against this? I thought that part of the reason for the 4th year equity release clause was that they benefit from any appreciation in the asset?

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Post by mikebdomain » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:25 pm
Andy, the product already exists - I could remortgage Mrs X on day one of her IVA or at least when the IVA was registered on her credit report.

Andrew I suspect they would accept a F&F if the offer was close to the amount inc. the fourth year clause...


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Post by Andrew Graveson » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:29 pm
That's the point Mike. The 4th year equity release clause exists where there is insufficient equity in Year 1 for a full and final IVA in the first place.



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Post by mikebdomain » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:41 pm
Andrew [:D] are we starting on points again... LOL

Agreed... There would still be affordability issues to raise enough to cover the whole amount.

But what if they had agreed - Lets say 37p (or whatever) in the £ - would the F&F be for the 37p in the £ or £ in the £?

If it's 37p (or whatever) to the £ then maybe, there may be enough to cover the F&F...

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Post by mikebdomain » Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:40 pm
Andy, you have given me an idea, I am gong to talk to one of our lenders about an exclusive - don't know what the response will be in the current market, but worth a go....

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Post by Adam Davies » Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:44 pm
Andrew
The fourth year equity release is useless if people don't get to year four !!
Why in bankruptcy is the property dealt with at the start,or within the first year.Why is the new SIVA proposing that equity release is dealt with at the start of the arrangement ?
Why should anyone agree to an equity release where they have no idea how much it will be ?

Mike
Is it a five year fixed ?
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Post by bagpuss » Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:44 pm
man on a mission now,,,go Mike xx

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Post by mikebdomain » Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:48 pm
Hang posted the wrong thing to the wrong thread ... Lets start again...

[:D] Bagpuss

Andy
I am going to talk to them about an IVA specific product and based on a fixed product, I will email you in the morning for ideas,

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Post by Andrew Graveson » Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:16 pm
Hi Andy - there's growing evidence that the presumption of ever-increasing house prices might have to change and that adds to your argument and the rationality of dealing with equity at the start of the process.
As it stood a few weeks ago both Accord and the Norwich & Peterborough Building Society were offering 5 year fixed rates that included scope for those in satisfactorily conducted IVA's. These deals can add a lot of security (for all concerned) where a five year income based IVA is in it's early stages. I wish more lenders would offer similar products as they're rightly popular in the right circumstances.

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Post by jpj » Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:19 am
I feel The fixed rate mortgage timebomb is down to rising interest rates,it has affected everyone..not just people in IVAs..As Andrew said, the credit crunch has compounded it,but is not the cause of it! I came off my fixed rate before the credit crunch and my mortgage went up hundreds! People should look in advance on how the mortgage rates will affect them and when they will be ending...If I hadnt gone and found a new reduced rate mortgage my IVA monthly payments would have to have halved..as you cant get blood out a stone!!
 
 

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Post by Andrew Graveson » Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:55 am
That's absolutely right - planning can prevent a lot of problems. A couple (who are both in IVA's) that I saw recently had not appreciated until too late just how much their mortgage would go up at the end of the 'deal' period. The increase had made the ongoing IVA payments very difficult to make for a couple of months before the replacement arrangement was put in place.

There can be a difference between the way general interest rates for mortgages work, and the way they work for so called "sub-prime" mortgages. Most mortgages are linked to the Bank of England base rate either directly or via the lenders standard variable rate.

Many "sub-prime" mortgages are connected to the LIBOR which is the rate at which banks lend to each other. This is where the credit crunch has been felt as banks have wanted to hold on to their cash, leading to the rate going up. Partly because of this in a time of generally rising interest rates "sub-prime" mortgages have tended to be affected more than the average.

This adds to the need to plan; talking to a mortgage broker approximately three months before an existing 'deal' ends might be sensible.

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Post by mikebdomain » Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:40 am
The problem with lack of planning by consumers stems from lack of advice and initial planning by mortgage brokers or advisors, or the consumer going to a mortgage provider that does not offer advice or recommendations. Let’s be honest, a mortgage product can be a complicated beast and the assumption that joe public can make an ‘informed choice’ without advice is a lot to expect.

When considering a product for a person with known financial difficulties, we always look at affordability issues taking a 1% rise in rates per 12 months during any fixed rate period into consideration. With employed people we assume an annual pay rise in line with inflation. If during calculations a problem can be foreseen long discussions take place regarding future affordability and how they ( the applicant) feels they will make the possible increase in payments.

I agree with Andrew on this, advance planning is all important.


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Post by Andrew Graveson » Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:42 am
Hi Mike - a pleasure to agree with you [8D]

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Post by mikebdomain » Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:46 am
[:D] At last...

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