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Post by MelanieGiles » Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:50 pm
There was no need to script the report in this manner - the offer should have been fairly presented and the suggestion of you providing more money from your package ought only to have come from creditors.

IPs are not here to act as judge and jury, but merely to present fair proposals to creditors. Redundancy money is paid as compensation for loss of office, and should not be available for anything but to supplement your lost earnings until a new job is found.

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Post by Adam Davies » Sat Nov 03, 2007 11:37 am
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Well I wouldn't be too happy if my IP proposed a variation with that wording,very loaded towards rejection or modification.How can redundancy be regarded so differently between IPs ?
Go back to DFD and ask them to remove the part about"I have advised Mr W that is likely that creditors will either reject this offer or request that it is increased due to the level of redundancy package received."
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Post by emma_t » Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:59 pm
Hi misc

just wanted to say that it sounds like you are not getting very good support from your IP. I am no expert but it sounds all wrong to me that redundancy, which after all is compensation for loss of a job, can be classed the same as as a windfall - hardly the same as winning some money is it?
It must be so stressful for you and I do hope you can get a satisfactory outcome.
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Post by kitkat44444 » Sun Nov 04, 2007 2:13 pm
Hi, my husband was made redundant at the end of last year and we told our IP straight away because we had the same concerns you had re the redundancy package being taken into IVA. We were assured by our IP that the redundancy package was ours to live on until my husband got another job. Of course had we had anything left over at the point of him getting another job it would be deemed as surplus funds and more than likely put to IVA but in our case the funds had all gone by the time he got another job! Best of luck and hope things work out for you - I am sure they will x

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Post by Soulgrowth » Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:30 pm
That is dreaful Misc ... and well done to Melanie for representing the more moral aspects of her profession.

In my opinion some IPs are tending to act as sitting in their ivory towers ... you are instructing them Misc ... it is their role to advise, but follow your instructions ultimately, after all, you are paying them fees.

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Post by hara » Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:20 pm
Dear all,

I am deeply cocerned that redundancy money is being considered as wind fall.

My IVA also says that redundancy money is considered as windfall,which is worrying.This from a reputable Insolvency firm.At present though I am not in a situation of redundancy,who knows what the future holds.

I feel that insolvency practitioners should pay attention and consider the redundancy situation differently as it has a bearing on one's monthly income.

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Post by Adam Davies » Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:48 pm
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I agree with Gordon,redundancy should be the same in an IVA for everyone..........I wonder what the Insolvency Services view is on this ?

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Post by misc » Sat Jun 07, 2008 7:37 pm
Hello People. First of all I'd like to thank Andy and Melanie for getting me through some difficult times, they have given me really good advice that has kept me sane. My IVA has been approved subject to modification in February and I was tempted to let sleeping dogs lie. However, I noticed one or two disparaging remarks about debt free direct, and I thought it would only be right to add my twopennethworth. DFD hatched a proposal that could only be read one way by my creditors - a recommendation to reject the proposal. I wasn't expecting them to produce a report biassed in my favour - but I didn't think it was too much to ask for them to produce a balanced report giving the pro's and con's of accepting or rejecting the proposal. I got them to change the proposal accordingly. This was presented to my creditors, and a date for the meeting was set for 24th December 2007.

I contacted them to ask if it could be brought forward as I didn't want to stew over it, over christmas. I was told that the meeting wasn't on the 24th but the 20th. It transpired that the meeting was set for the 20th on one piece of paperwork, and the 24th on another. As a consequence of DFD's continued incompetence, the meeting was reconvened for . . . FEBRUARY. Consequently my creditors voted to increase the contribution by £ 5,000 above the minimum tariff eventhough I was now out of work. The approved payment was made in the middle of February, and I have been advised that it won't be cleared until end of July at the earliest. Is this typical ?

Anyway the purpose of this posting is to warn other people in financial trouble to be weary of the possible repercussions of some of the terms and conditions. DFD were trying to tell me that my redundancy cheque could be viewed as a windfall and as such could be applied into the IVA eventhough this would have left me penniless.

The point is when you get into debt, you just want a resolution to the problem, it is difficult to remind yourself that despite your circumstances you are still a potential CUSTOMER to these people and that you can pick and choose who YOU decide will help you. In doing so you might be wise to consider all circumstances, no matter how remote and ask the potential IP what would happen in those circumstances. If you are not happy with the response ask an alternative provider. I just hope nobody has to go through such bungling incompetence that I have experienced and that they go into this with their eyes wide open.
 
 

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Post by Viki.W » Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:25 pm
Misc, I've just read this thread, how awful? Unbelievable really. I'm so glad that you're finally rid of them, your post is very informative and I hope it helps other people. Good luck for the future. Viki X
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