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Post by Daveyboi » Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:39 pm
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From what I have read the Protocol doesn't stipulate what the 6 months payment break is to be used for only that it is at the supervisors discretion. This is your personal belief of what it should be used for but others have given payment breaks for a variance of reasons and would not be outside of the protocol as it doesn't specify certain criteria.

If someone has overspent and cannot afford their payments or have held back considerable income then I personally think it would be fairer for the creditors to be brought to the table to have an option to forgive the breach and under what terms for example an extension of the agreement rather than just allow a payment break to make up the money. Or to fail the IVA if the breach is significant enough and shows the debtor truthfully has no intention of keeping to the payments.

If someone has an essential bill to pay for something then maybe lowering the payments with your 15% could be an option to allow for the payment of the item as for those months part of their essential I&E could be to save or pay for that essential item. If however a boiler packs up or your electricity is faulty and condemmed and you have to pay thousands to get it rectified to have a suitable home to live in then yes I think a payment break is the best option added to the end of the term and not expected to be added on throughout the rest of the term if that makes the payment exceptionally high and forcing the debtor to perhaps fail the IVA through no fault of their own. Especially as the new protocol was designed to save so many variation meetings and costs to the creditors for something that the supervisor could really sort out themselves whilst still maintaining a good return for the creditors in a timely fashion.

Out of curiosity what methods would you normally use to rectify a missed payment due to an essential repair? One of the reasons I ask is that whilst googling some companies have insinuated that before the new protocol the 2 failed payments was allowed without failing to cover for people who missed payments and not with genuine reason but only failed if they missed a third payment during the IVA. It also states that if a payment break is taken then the same amount of months are automatically added to the end so why are people protocol compliant be told that they have to pay it back with additional payments if the protocol dictates otherwise?

The excerpt is here

Payment Breaks for IVAs agreed before 1st February 2008

It is usually written into the older IVA proposals that the Individual Voluntary Arrangement will be failed if a client misses in excess of 2 payments over the duration of the Individual Voluntary Arrangement, but this generally is designed to cover the scenario of a client just refusing to make contributions as a matter of choice, and not people suffering with an honest problem with payments.

If a client’s circumstances change due to an unforeseen problem, for example, loss of employment, then provision can be made, at the discretion of the insolvency practitioner, to allow the client to temporarily suspend payments for a short period, and then resume payments when the circumstances improve.

The client’s Individual Voluntary Arrangement payments would normally be required to be increase for a short time, to catch up on the missed payments that the problem caused, but if this is not possible, extending the term of the IVA may also be a option for the insolvency practitioner to consider.

And so, by keeping the Insolvency Practitioner informed of your on going situation throughout the troublesome period, you massively reduce the risk of your Individual Voluntary Arrangement failing due to your payment problem.

Payment Breaks for IVAs agreed after 1st February 2008.

The IVA protocol has really helped IVA applicants when it comes to payment problems. Previously, as stated above, Insolvency Practitioners were given little scope to assist their clients when their financial circumstances took a turn for the worst, but now they have a couple of options available.

At the Insolvency Practitioner’s sole discretion and subject to the correct confirmation and validation of the need for a payment break, payments into the IVA can now be suspended for up to 6 consecutive payments, without the need for the Insolvency Practitioner to seek further agreement from the creditors.

The IVA protocol stipulates that, in the event of a payment break being taken, the term of the IVA will be automatically extended to an equal number of months as the payment break itself.

In the event that a longer payment break than 6 months is required, the Insolvency Practitioner would call a variation meeting to the IVA, which would give the creditors an opportunity to agree or decline any further suspension of payments.

Alongside this new policy, the IVA protocol introduced the ability for the Insolvency Practitioner, again at their sole discretion, to reduce the IVA payments buy as much as 15% of the agreed payment level, before the need to seek approval from the creditors.

These new ‘IVA Protocol’ terms gives the IVA applicant an unprecedented level of support that, even in the most difficult of financial circumstances, should give a real chance for the IVA to succeed.

This level of flexibility has helped save many thousands of IVAs which would have been destined to failure under the older IVA terms and conditions, which would have failed for no greater reason than a change in the applicant’s circumstances. Added to this the substantial savings the creditors have made of many thousands of pounds in fees, that would have been created by all the unnecessary work being undertaken by the Insolvency Practitioner.
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Post by MelanieGiles » Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:03 am
When a client advises me that they intend to miss a payment, I will work with them to understand the necessity for this and to see if there are other ways that the money can be found - friends and family donation, mortgage break etc.

If this is not possible, then I look at the method in which the proposed missed payment or payments can be rectified. Clients who regularly earn overtime or other supplements can fund this out of their uplifts, or sometimes clients will say that they will make economies in future months to see the payment repaid. I am also happy to agree to a short extension at the end of the IVA, as all of my proposals allow for this.

The problem with the 6 month payment break is that it can only be invoked once during the life of an IVA. Therefore I prefer to see it used for something important, rather than something which can be esily fixed. But I do most certainly agree with you that most of the IVAs I have supervised have needed a little - and in some cases a lot - of flexibility. No-one has a crystal ball to confirm that there will be no blips along the way, and failing an IVA for a trivial default doesn't get anyone anywhere.
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Post by Daveyboi » Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:12 am
Thanks for the reply Mel it is good to see you do assist your clients to the best of your ability whilst within your restraints of looking out for the creditors best interests.

Some of my posts may seem strong but only when I feel something unjust is being done to someone who is already in a vulnerable position. I try not to generalise too much and give praise when I feel its due and on the whole as you say thousands of IVA's run with no problems whatsoever and only the bad tends to pop up on the forum and not always the good. When those bad situations do arise however I like to know what the official stance on it is and if it's a grey area I like to know what possible outcomes there can be so if someone else is in the same situation they can argue their corner more effectively as they know different ways its been handled before. Whether the knowledge will win the case for you I don't know but it's never a bad thing to be armed with knowledge and precedences when dealing with finances and the law.

I think your posts over the past couple of days in particular have been loyal to your profession and other IP's whilst being supportive of debtors in dodgy situations and that you believe in professionalism throughout which I admire.

Well done
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Post by Vicki.29 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:37 pm
Hi all!

I completed my iva in jan 2011 after 5 years with pay plan. Having read what other people have said about their companies I think they are incredibly laid back. I never heard a peep out of them other than receiving an expenditure form once a year. They never once asked for bank statements or evidence of anything once my iva started. I also seemed to get my completion documents really quickly too.
 
 

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Post by scoobydooby » Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:41 pm
I've been with Payplan for just under two years and have generally found them to be helpful and understanding. I've had the same case office since the start so maybe that helps.
 
 

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Post by kallis3 » Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:17 pm
I think that it is only recently that they started moving the goalposts, until recently we had no problems at all and we're almost four years in.
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Post by Struzzo39 » Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:37 pm
We agree with you Jan until these chnages we couldnt fault them at all. I'm actually finding this as stressful as when we were having the meeting!!
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Post by kallis3 » Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:56 pm
You and me both!!
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Post by country girl » Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:06 pm
Me too

I am starting to feel it is nearly as stressful as when I had to deal with creditors, starting to have sleepless nights again.

It is hard enough being in an IVA and you do need support.

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Post by Struzzo39 » Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:50 pm
hopefully Nick or Lizzie from payplan might be able shed some light on these changes that seem to be occuring as re -reading this thread there still seems to be mixed messages given out over payrises etc
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Post by Nick Payne » Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:41 am
I can't really comment on individual cases on the forum, however I am happy to look over anyone's information and shed some light on the mixed messages that people seem to be getting lately. If anyone is having any problems then please email me directly and I will get back to you as soon as possible. My email address can be found on my profile.
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Post by secure69 » Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:21 am
I must admit reading some of the messages here have put me off contacting payplan for a Iva etc
 
 

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Post by back on track » Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:12 pm
yes nick i know you cannot coment on individual cases but you can tell us if theres been a change in the way payplan does things and what the reasons are for the sudden changes in the way your clients are treated reguards pay increases and payment breaks not really being breaks at all.
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Post by MelanieGiles » Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:42 pm
Posts on forums like this should not deter any poster from sampling the services offered by a particular firm. Your own individual experiences, and the feeling you get when you speak to that firm, will ensure that you make a reasoned choice of provider who will balance your needs with those of creditors.
Regards, Melanie Giles, Insolvency Practitioner
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