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Post by snowbunny » Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:10 pm
i owe around £15,000 to 7 or so different creditors. My take-home pay is £1100 each month, and my outgoings are £750. I'm not sure whether to go for an IVA or bankruptcy. We'd like to get a mortgage and buy a house at some point this year, I don't know if we can if I'm in either of those situations. My husband has great credit, and his financial affairs are not related to mine. Also, will I end up with NO money after bills each month in an IVA? Please help!
 
 

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Post by go_4_broke » Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:06 pm
Hi snowbunny

That's never an easy question to answer.

However it's fairly certain that you would be better off financially in bankruptcy because although you may still be required to make a contribution from earnings this would only last 3 years rather than five AND you will very likely be able to keep more spending money.

The effect on your ability to buy a house is probably little different in either situation, but you won't be buying one 'some point this year' I'm afraid.

Beware of private sector advisers and 'debt advice' websites who are very likely to steer you down the IVA route as there is no money for them in your bankruptcy. You are almost certain to have to do this yourself.

I would suggest you keep your options open as there may be other routes open to you and take advice from one of the public sector concerns such as CCCS.

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Post by Aaron » Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:29 pm
Hi, I don't think you have to go for either bankruptcy or an IVA. If you take home £1100 and payout £750 you have £350 left to clear your debts? Unless £750 doesn't include the repayments to creditors? You could always try to clear your debts by using interest free credit cards, but only if you are going to commit to actually paying off the balance over the interest free period and then close the card down. What does your partner earn? You have to think twice and get proper advice about a suitable debt solution as this will have an adverse affect on your credit record. Can you not ask your parents to help you out? Is there any possibility of earning more income through promotion, bonuses or overtime? No need to bust a gut, but seriously consider your options.
 
 

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Post by MelanieGiles » Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:17 pm
Aaron is right

With a carefully managed debt repayment programme agreed by your creditors, you can pay these debts off without resorting to either bankruptcy or a voluntary arrangement. In these circumstances, I would be very suprised if a Court would allow a bankruptcy order to be made.

Go 4 broke - I hope that you are not including qualified insolvency practitioners in that grouping of poor advisers.

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Post by MelanieGiles » Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:18 pm
Aaron is right

With a carefully managed debt repayment programme agreed by your creditors, you can pay these debts off without resorting to either bankruptcy or a voluntary arrangement. In these circumstances, I would be very suprised if a Court would allow a bankruptcy order to be made.

Go 4 broke - I hope that you are not including qualified insolvency practitioners in that grouping of poor advisers.

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Post by go_4_broke » Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:45 pm
Melanie, you should know me by now !

The fact that you have not recommended an IVA answers that question in itself.

Unfortunately the chances of someone seeking 1st line debt advice encountering an experienced IP are extremely small, unless they happen to be posting in this forum !

Snowbunny, it's true that via a DMP (Debt Management Plan) of some kind you could repay your creditors 100% of the debt in under 5 years (under 4 in fact) using your £350 assumed disposable income, which is why in my last paragraph i say 'keep your options open as there may be other routes open to you'

However that does not mean your original suggestions are necessarily closed to you, although I have to say the IVA option particularly does not look very attractive.

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Post by snowbunny » Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:42 pm
Hi, thanks for your help.
I have read so much on this site, and it looks like an IVA is good because the creditors cannot suddenly start changing the goalposts or send round a debt collector. My £350 does have to include food, by the way. And what my partner brings home is peanuts.
I called the CCCS yesterday, who couldn't really advise me on what to do until I had paid my gas and water bills in full, which doesn't really help me stop panicking in the meantime.
And Aaron, I appreciate your advise but seriously? 'Ask your parents or do overtime'. What, you think I haven't thought of those! And who is to say I'm not buying a house this year either? Where's your optimism? I thought this board was for support.
 
 

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Post by go_4_broke » Tue Mar 20, 2007 6:04 pm
Hi Snowbunny

Yes, the board is for giving people support but not to the extent of lying to them.

There's nothing wrong with being optimistic but you need to be realistic as well.

Both Bankruptcy and an IVA are formal insolvency procedures. In bankruptcy you may not even be allowed to take on a mortgage at all and even if you were there's unlikely to be a lender who would go near it. In an IVA it is certainly possible, but they like to see you settled into the agreement and have proven ability to manage the repayments, which is likely to be about the same time as you would have put bankruptcy behind you if you had gone down that route (ie around 2 years).

If you are determined to buy a house you would probably be far better off not getting involved with either of the above and, as others have suggested, simply paying off the debt in the normal way or at the best rate you can afford using a non-insolvency based method.

The CCCS response doesn't sound that helpful I admit, but their view will be to get you to make sure your priority debts, ie those thing you need to live on, are up to date, your credit debt will be regarded as less important. You might try National Debtline instead for a 2nd Opinion.

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Post by snowbunny » Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:10 am
hi G4B.
Thanks for that - I think I got so caught up in IVA and bankruptcy I didn't think to manage it myself. I'll certainly try to national debt line, but the CCCS woman was good in that she spurred me on to call all my gas, water, council tax etc people and not only were they all very nice I feel so much better.
And if the others only get £20 a month each for a wee while, its better than nothing at all!
Thank you [:)]
 
 

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Post by go_4_broke » Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:35 pm
Hi Snowbunny

Excellent.

IVA and Bankruptcy may remain options for you, but as you have found out they are not necessarily the BEST options.

You are doing the right thing by finding out as much as possible and getting on top of the situation.

£20 a month is a lot better than nothing because it shows your creditors willing and that you are not simply trying to avoid paying them.

Also it will give you a bit of breathing space to allow you to figure out your next move.

Best of luck with it !



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Post by neverending » Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:49 am
Snowbunny
I think that a debt management plan should be an avenue that you explore.
Does your £750 outgoings include your debt repayments ?
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Andy Davie
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