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Post by MelanieGiles » Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:56 pm
As I said - I cannot understand why the IP is blocking this payment if it is met out of allowable expenditure, and I would urge the poster to discuss this directly with the IP given the relatively modest amount of money involved.
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Post by Beans on Toast » Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:10 pm
Totally agree with Melanie here. Mrs.Beans had to give up one of these for the same reason, i.e showing on wage slip. If we didn't spend any contingency for the next 5 years we would only end up with £600 anyway!!

I wonder if it would make any difference if you could fund it from overtime (if possible to get any).
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Post by MelanieGiles » Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:25 pm
I can understand more it being at issue at the beginning of an IVA, but half way through if it is being funded by savings in another area I would not necessarily have an issue so long as the payments were modest.
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Post by Endsmeet » Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:35 pm
I have again discussed this with my I.P. and I keep getting the same thing repeated to me, you are allowed to save money for emergencies and the such like, the I&E form that I submitted is for living now and for the term of my IVA, if I am able to put aside a regular payment into a SAYE (whatever the amount), this means that my I&E form is incorrect and should be reviewed.

There is no way around this as it will show up on my wage sheet as a voluntary deduction....which should be made available to my creditors.

Unfortunately it looks like my I.P. is sticking to the letter of the law on this one and I have to abide by her decision.

Thanks to everyone for their opinions, unfortunately my I.P. doesnt share the same one[:(]
 
 

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Post by kallis3 » Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:40 pm
Well I think it is pathetic for the sake of a tenner a month.
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Post by Endsmeet » Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:18 pm
Well I think it is pathetic for the sake of a tenner a month.
Me too....but my hands are tied[:(]
 
 

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Post by David Mond » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:02 am
Who is your IP Endsmeet?
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Post by kallis3 » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:13 am
Endsmeet is with Payplan.
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Post by Westy » Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:29 pm
I am in a similar position to Endsmeet. My employer is offering SAYE schemes for 3,5 or 7 years.

I'm in a DMP at the moment so I wouldn't be able to afford to pay anything into it myself. However, I could ask a family member to make the payments on my behalf so they can take advantage of it rather than me. I'd like to enter an IVA in the future and am wondering if doing a SAYE might prevent me being accepted for an IVA.

Even if an IVA was accepted, could the creditors not legally claim the money saved as it is still under my name even if my family is paying the monthly contribution ?
 
 

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Post by MelanieGiles » Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:59 pm
I don't think that you would be allowed to use someone else's money to invest in your own Sharesave scheme - but check with your employers if this would be possible. If so, then just keep proper records of your relative's contributions so you can show that this is not your asset.
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Post by David Mond » Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:40 am
Unfortunately whilst in an IVA one cannot have an allowance for any type of savings scheme - certainly whatever has been agreed as "Contingency" can be saved together with any savings from the monthly spend.
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Post by Westy » Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:36 pm
I'm not proposing to include a savings allowance in the IVA budget. The employer would deduct £100 per month from take home pay and the family member would pay £100 per month towards the household budget so the two cancel out.

It's a bit like having someone pay your stakeholder pension contribution whilst you're in the IVA so you don't miss out on tax and company matching incentives. Some company schemes pay matching, tax and NI rebate so a £69 net contribution becomes £212.80. Would this be allowed or classed as saving so disallowed even if you weren't paying it yourself?

I've heard that sometimes you can put pension contributions in the IVA budget if you're in a Final Salary plan where you would have to leave the scheme if you didn't pay the specific employee contribution rate.
 
 

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Post by kallis3 » Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:40 pm
I can't speak for the SAYE scheme, but I have a final salary pension scheme, contributions deducted at source, and it was never queried when I entered the IVA.
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Post by Westy » Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:18 pm
Did no-one realise you could give a better dividend if you stopped the pension contributions? You seem to have been lucky there!
 
 

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Post by Skippy » Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:58 pm
I was allowed to carry on paying into my pension when I was in an IVA and then when I went BR - it was never mentioned by my IP or OR.
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