Should I just carry on not paying? Any advice?

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Post by go_4_broke » Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:47 am
Hi all

I think probably half my posts here have been about trying to convince people of the value of making token payments in getting creditors off your back.

As far as the creditors are concerned it's the difference between a 'can't pay' and a 'won't pay' and is about the only thing they understand.

As most people seem to find telling them about your lovely 'proposed' IVA has little effect and is largely ignored till it actually happens.

I'm starting to wonder if it can actually have a negative effect as creditors scrabble to secure any remaining crusts before the drawbridge is drawn up.

It still concerns me that there are IP's out there are telling people not to do this. Obviously there is no fundamental problem with it, if there was I'm sure Melanie would not have recommended it above as an IP herself. I'm sure this must either be because;

1) They want to make sure every last penny goes via themselves, or,

2) They can't be bothered to explain to people the difference between token payments and other payments which may result in preference, or have to deal with any consequences.

If you are in a situation like Tracy above it is just not sustainable to pay nothing and I think Tracy you are absolutely right to do it if you can afford to whilst you try and get things sorted out.

Janeys situation shows what a nonsense the whole thing is - she was actually making DMP payments HIGHER than the level of the IVA. Hopefully Janey your DMP payments reduced your overall debt level and hence your monthly IVA payment, but I think in reality it is more likely to have just increased your creditors' dividend.

As Andy mentions above if you do do it is important to make a single pro-rata monthly payment and NOT make ad-hoc payments when they ask as it just encourages them.

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Post by Janey » Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:43 am
Go for Broke in response to your query - it was dependant on individual creditors whether they included my latest payments before I signed the final IVA proposal, I didn't question this because I was just frightened that if I held up the process it would be rejected again. Basically I paid in excess of £1000 for nothing. I originally offered 25p in the pound which would have meant payments of £330 and settled for 40p at £395 (modified from £393 at the creditors meeting). It was my choice to go up to this figure. But having weighed all my options and the fact that I was off work (still am) with stress/depression from the effects of post traumatic stress disorder I felt I had no choice especially with all the talk of IVA's getting harder to achieve. I really do have difficulty understanding the companies offering IVA's having different rules when it is a regulated industry. My understanding of the process has been helped greatly from using this site and I am really greatful for this. At the time when struggling with the quagmire of debt there often does not seem anywhere to turn. Having said all this I would definately recommend IVA's but would advise people to use the companies that contribute to this site as they seem genuinely concerned re their clients and because they are so upfront do not rip you off.

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Post by Adam Davies » Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:46 am
Hi
I think G-4-B comments are very valid.It just concretes my opinion that you must ask this specific question when deciding on an IP.You must have full confidence in your IPs judgement and if they say pay nothing then do this,if they say make token payments then do this each and every month on a pro-rata basis.It also shows that you must be totally comfortable with the IP that you have chosen and the way they want you to proceed.
In Tracy,s case where the IVA is taking a long time[6 months]then you are best to ask your IP if you should start making token payments if previously told not to.
Always be guided by your IP,afterall they are professional experts.
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Post by go_4_broke » Mon Apr 02, 2007 2:14 pm
Janey,

I think regardless of what happened in the lead-up to your IVA you undoubtedly did the right thing by yourself and at the end of the day that is what matters.

On of the main benefits of being in an IVA is that you have a very clear path ahead, and I hope this will help you to rebuild your life now you know which direction you are heading.

I would certainly agree with Andy's comments generally, but would add that anyone who feels that making token payments to their creditors would help them, but has been warned off doing this by their IP/IVA Company, should ask what the reasoning is behind this and is entitled to receive a sensible answer.

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