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Post by crispy » Wed May 23, 2007 12:56 pm
I have debts with 3 credit cards totalling about £14,000 - which I struggle to keep up with the monthly repayments. In fact I have not been able to make the last month payments, and this month's payment is due in the next couple of days - which I also haven't made. I am getting to the stage where I know I need to do something (in hindsight, this should have been a couple of months ago).

I have very little in the way of assets.

What options are open to me? I can see that I would not probably not qualify for an IVA as I don't owe £15,000.

Any help would be very greatfully appreciated.
 
 

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Post by Sadsack » Wed May 23, 2007 1:03 pm
Hi crispy and welcome

It does not look like you will get an IVA as your debts are below £15k and you only have 3 creditors. I think a Debt Management Plan would be better for you. There are quite a number of companies offering this service - if you read some of the threads, other posters have submitted names of companies you could contact.

Melanie Giles posted the name of a company which she feels is very good, and I would certainly not doubt her expertise and advice.

Let us know how you get on.

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Post by finebridge » Wed May 23, 2007 1:05 pm
Hi Crispy,

Welcome to the forum. With debts of around £14k and only three creditors you may wish to look into a Debt Management Plan. A DM company would contact your creditors and ask them to stop the interest (although this isn’t always achieved) and arrange a small amount to be paid to each creditor monthly.

Alternatively have you contacted your creditors personally to let them know you are struggling? This may be a good start and see if they are able to stop/lower interest.

I hope this helps.

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Post by Sadsack » Wed May 23, 2007 1:05 pm
Crispy

Found the thread that was posted - "advised by my bank to get an iva".

Good luck

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Post by Oliver » Wed May 23, 2007 1:32 pm
It's likely that either an informal debt management plan or bankruptcy would be the best options for you.

INFORMAL DEBT MANAGEMENT PLAN

What is an Debt Management Plan?
An Informal Debt Repayment Plan is simply an agreement with your creditors to reduce the amount you pay to them each month so that the payments fit within an affordable monthly budget. The plan is known as “informal” because it is not legally binding on your creditors. It is simply a “Gentleman’s Agreement” made between them and you to reduce your debt repayments.

The amount you can afford to pay to your creditors each month is known as “Disposable Income”. This is calculated by taking your total monthly household income and deducting all reasonable living expenses. The money left over is called Disposable Income. This is the amount which is paid to your creditors each month.

An informal Debt Repayment Plan can normally be managed for you so that you are able to make a single affordable monthly payment which will cover all of your creditors. Using this solution will enable you to start repaying your creditors without having to borrow more and constantly “Rob Peter to pay Paul”.

Advantages of an Informal Debt Repayment Programme:
Reduce monthly payments to a single affordable amount.
Repay Creditors within a budget you can afford without having to
borrow more.
Stop robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Disadvantages of an Informal Debt Repayment Programme:
You will normally have to repay 100% of all your debt which may take
many years.
Your debt repayment period may be significantly increased as you are
paying less off your debt each month.
Default notices will be recorded on your credit file. This will mean that you will find it difficult to get further credit until your debts are repaid or settled in full.
Creditors are not under any legal obligation to suspend interest or late payment charges.
Secured debts (ie mortgages and car HP) and Crown Debts such as Council Tax can not be included in an Informal Debt Repayment programme.

What will it cost?
You may be able to get help with an informal debt management programme for free. However, most companies who provide these services will make a charge. This is normally the first payment that you make and also an ongoing monthly management fee of between 10-15%.

Is this solution right for me?
Informal Debt Repayment Programmes are normally suitable if your total unsecured debt is £15,000 or less.


BANKRUPTCY

What is Bankruptcy?
It is a common misunderstanding that Bankruptcy is only for companies and businesses. It is not. Bankruptcy is the way that an individual person can deal with personal debts, which they have no hope of repaying.

If you have debts which you just can not afford to repay, either through an IVA or an informal debt management programme, then Bankruptcy might be a sensible option for you.

Bankruptcy is normally seen as a last resort after all other options for repaying debt have been exhausted. If you are declared bankrupt, you will no longer have to repay your creditors yourself and the court will protect you from any further actions that your creditors threaten against you. However, where you can afford to make any payment towards your creditors, then you will be made to do so by the Court for up to 3 years.

Facts about Bankruptcy:
- The responsibility for paying your debts is taken away from you by the Court.
- You will normally be Bankrupt for 12 months.
- You may have to make monthly payments towards your debt for 3 years.
- After 3 years, any outstanding debt is written off.
- The record of your bankruptcy remains on your credit file for 6 years.
- You will have to give up your share of any equity in property you own.
- You will be allowed to keep reasonable household goods.
- You will be allowed to keep your car as you have a reasonable requirement for it and it is not unreasonably valuable.

What happens to my property and belongings?
You will normally be able to keep reasonable personal items and household goods such as furniture and electrical goods as long as their value is not greater than the cost of their reasonable replacement. However, you will be expected to sell valuable assets such as antiques and expensive vehicles.

As a bankrupt, your title to any house you own or are paying a mortgage on will be passed to the Court. As such, ownership of any equity that you have personally in the property will pass to the Court. The Court will want to realise such equity for the benefit of your creditors.

This means that either you will need a third party to make an offer to the Court to buy out your equity or the Court will force the sale of the property to release the equity. If your husband, wife or children are living with you, it may be possible to put off a sale until the end of the first year of your bankruptcy to give time for other housing arrangements to be made. Your spouse or any other interested party would be encouraged to take legal advice about the home as soon as possible.

What will Bankruptcy cost?
In order to declare your self bankrupt, you will need to pay Court Fees. These normally total a one off charge of £490. If you require additional advice and help to complete your application forms, you must also expect an additional charge for this service.

Is Bankruptcy right for me?
There has been a lot of publicity surrounding changes in the law regarding bankruptcy – the Enterprise Act introduced in April 2004. The question is whether or not bankruptcy is now an easier way of dealing with debt? Certainly, for some individuals, the new rules may be of benefit. However, it is arguable that for the majority of people, the law has not made bankruptcy any easier, and in some aspects, it has become more onerous.


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Post by crispy » Wed May 23, 2007 2:47 pm
The idea of bankruptcy does absolutely petrify me. I have heard some horror stories about that as well.

The DM plan sounds a better plan, although I am concerned by the fact that it is a "gentleman's agreement", and it does sound quite expensive as well.

I saw it does say that people don't usually qualify for an IVA if their debts total £15k - are there exceptions, and if so what are they?

Of the three methods, IVA certainly sounds "better", but as you said, I am probably not eligible for it.
 
 

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Post by finebridge » Wed May 23, 2007 3:03 pm
Hi...

Bankruptcy is quite often not as bad as people first believe, please look at the blogs on this site as a couple of members have recently gone down the bankruptcy road.

You would need to speak to a DM company discuss the expense and likelihood of ceasing interest to see if you think this is a good way forward for you.

It is unethical to put forward an IVA for under £15k as the fee's that are involved.

Hope this helps...

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Post by Oliver » Wed May 23, 2007 3:11 pm
If you don't own a home or work in an employment which you couldn't continue working in if you were to be made bankrupt, then bankruptcy itself needs to be strongly considered.

Bankruptcy itself carries a stigma still and there are alot of urban myths and old wives tales about bankruptcy that are simply not true. Yes you will have your details printed in the local paper which isn't very nice but in an IVA you will be listed on the Insolvency register which is accessible by everyone. Many people think that you will have to appear in court and "stand trial" before you are made bankrupt, this again simply isn't the case. You will need to meet with a court appointed official but this is fairly informal and the court workers are almost always very professional and often even sympathetic. There are rumours that you will have all your possessions taken by the court. This is absolutely untrue, you will be able to retain possession of all reasonable household goods including you dvd collection, fridge, television and computer. The only items that the court is interested in are items of high value so if you have any Picasso's in your house these may be up for grabs. If you own a car which is valued at more than £1500-2000, you may have to sell this and downsize to a cheaper model.

Informal plans are an option but as you correctly say, they are not legally binding. If you can afford to pay your debts off with your disposable income (total income less all reasonable living costs) in less than c60 months you should strongly consider an informal plan. If the time taken to clear your debts would be longer than this period of time Bankruptcy might be the better option.

It is unlikely that you will find an IP who is willing to take your case on as they will not be able to recoup enough fees to make it work as a business proposition.


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Post by crispy » Thu May 24, 2007 8:39 am
I do work in an accountancy office, therefore I think I might have problems if I were to go bankrupt.

On the £15,000 for the IVA though - is the differential in fees that significant between someone owing £14,300 and £15,001? How much would I be expected to repay over a 60 month period if I owed £15,000?
 
 

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Post by Oliver » Thu May 24, 2007 10:01 am
You should contact your HR office to find out if bankruptcy will affect your ability to continue working there as working in an accountancy office will not necessarily preclude you from completing an IVA.

IPs fees do vary but usually for a 5 year IVA the fees applied will range from £5500 - £10000

The problem occurs when your creditors look at your proposal and see the amount of money they are getting is less than the actual fees deducted by the IP. So for example if you were offering £200 / month to your creditors and the IP charged the lowest amount possible say £5500 your overall IVA contribution would be (£200 x 60payments) £12000 of which your creditors will only receive £6500 meaning that c46% of the IVA contributions are being paid to fund the IVA running and set up costs . Although this is more than the usual required return to the creditors this proposal will no doubt be rejected as the creditors will demand that you negotiate with them directly rather than paying an IP. Sadly a line has to be drawn and the creditors will often draw the line on any IP charging more than 40% of the overall contribution.

Notwithstanding this information why don't you call a few people on this site to talk about your case in more detail so they can find the right solution for you?


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Post by MelanieGiles » Thu May 24, 2007 12:47 pm
The problem with this case is that the debts are only £14,000 spread across 3 individual creditors. I really do not think that it fits current IVA criteria, and that a DMP is far more suitable - if you feel honour bound to repay your debts.



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Post by crispy » Thu May 24, 2007 2:42 pm
Can someone advise me where to go with DMP's please? I can't see reference to any on the forum board easily. I also don't know anything about DMP's - is there a FAQs section anywhere that people know of?

Thanks for the help so far.
 
 

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Post by ivoriva » Thu May 24, 2007 4:07 pm
Well, you can try www.cccs.co.uk (consumer credit counselling sevice - I think!), or www.payplan.com - they are both free DMP companies and are good places to start. Or myvesta.org.uk - who are less well known but still free and have a good reputation, I've heard. Melanie knows a commercial DMP company who might be able to help, Im sure she can post those details for you. Advantages of paid for over free - is probably just the level of service you can expect to receive. Downside of paid for version is a smaller return to your creditors so will take a bit longer to pay off.

A good forum for DMP questions can be found at www.debtquestions.co.uk

Hope this helps...
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