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Post by MARLINA » Thu Mar 05, 2009 7:03 pm
Hi there again...can you just put me straight on the F&F....I have been paying the IVA for about 17 months £350 per month)....the total with equity release will be £33000 on completion...are you saying I can offer 15% of this as a lump sum ? If not...what would be an acceptable amount in your opinion ? I am desperate to leave my job and start my own business, but there is no point in me taking VR if I have to sacrifice it all, thus sentencing myself to more time in a job that I hate. I have been doing this job for 22 years and have had enough. I just want to get rid of this IVA and start afresh. Any advice would be appreciated .

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It would. The most that an IP would allow you to keep would be up to 6 months net take home pay. Why don't you suggest to your Supervisor (IP) that you are considering taking voluntary redundancy and suggest a lump some into your IVA as a F&F. This should be around 10%-15% off the estimated amount you would have paid in over its life. Good luck.
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Post by David Mond » Thu Mar 05, 2009 7:17 pm
Your original IVA offered 60 x £350 totaling £21,000. You have paid in 17 x £350 totalling £4,250. You still owe £16,750.

My suggestion is from your voluntary redundancy you could offer a lump sum of around £14,500 as a F&F which in my opinion would be acceptable to your creditors.

Your IP would advise you in any event and put this scenario to creditors on the basis that you will accept the VR if they accept the £14,500 that i postulate above.
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Post by MARLINA » Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:30 pm
Well....I phoned Philip Gill & Co. Too busy to answer my first 3 calls...and when I put the proposal forward that David Mond suggested, they were very negative but promised to phone me back, which they didnt. Its probably one of the most important issues in my life...I could possibly escape a job that I hate, rid myself of the IVA ( a cure nearly as bad as the original ailment)and have a fresh start starting a business of my own, but no....apparently its not of any note to Philip Gill & Co....I GIVE UP !
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Post by kallis3 » Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:33 pm
Keep hounding them Marlina. They will listen to you eventually, even if only to get you to stop calling!
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Post by MARLINA » Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:38 pm
Thankyou Kallis3, I've had enough of all this...I really have...I thought i payed them to sort out my problems...obviously not ! A big fee for doing not much. I have only two weeks to accept my redundancy (£32,000) and the time is ticking. Looks like i'm stuck in this crappy job for good. Maybe I should go to Gordon Brown...he's bailing everybody else out...why not me...? Oh well...gotta keep smiling I suppose !
Its a pretty simple proposal...by the time i take the money (31st May would be the actual date) I would have paid over £5000 back and be giving them another £14,500....I think thats a fair offer....maybe not !
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Post by kallis3 » Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:52 pm
Have you tried emailing your IP direct?

You can get to them via this link:

http://www.insolvency-service.co.uk/newipsearch.htm

What a pain this is - I can understand your frustration.

Keep hounding them, let us know if you manage to contact anyone.
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Post by David Mond » Wed Mar 11, 2009 7:57 am
I will get Melanie to look into this immediately.
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Post by oscar » Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:06 pm
Comments like that are not necessary and do not help the plight of the original poster.
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Post by rayb » Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:33 pm
Oscar,

I don't think that is the type of comment you should be posting on this forum
 
 

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Post by plasticdaft » Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:53 pm
Oscar is something troubling you?? A couple of your most recent posts just appear to be unlike you? Please remember this place is for support,thinking before typing is a tip I find really useful!!!
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Post by MARLINA » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:47 am
After posting my comments a few days ago, I finally received a call from my IP. They said they were ‘disappointed’ with my comments made on this forum ( this was stated 4 times in a 10 minute call). They said that this forum was not the best place to discuss such matters and that I should deal with them directly. Silly me, that’s what I thought I was doing when they didn’t bother to ring me back about potentially one of the most important decisions of my life. The whole call was very negative in my view, pointing out what I couldn’t do, rather than what I could. Apparently offering a full and final settlement was out of the question, and should I take the redundancy money I would probably have to hand it all over to the creditors, or, give them a lump sum, and if I could prove I was starting a business continue to pay the IVA after this. It seems to me, that my IP is telling me that there is no such thing as a f&f…? So the position now, is, that I have to stay in a job that I hate and possibly somewhere down the line be made redundant on statutory pay of about £5000, and forget about wiping the slate clean.
I was also told that even if I did try for some kind of deal it would take 4-5 weeks, and as I have to make a decision on my VR within 2 weeks I’m pretty well stuck !
My IP also stated that I shouldn’t take advice off other Insolvency experts as they don’t know the details of my case ( and there I was thinking that this forum is for exactly that !) The whole tone of my conversation with my IP was like I was in the headmistresses office for being naughty. At one point I was even told ‘ it’s not my fault you got yourself into debt’…how insulting ! No advice was offered as to whether offering £14500 F&f would be successful. In the 18 months I have had an IVA, I have phoned my IP for help on this occasion only, and yet she tells me, ‘I cant just drop everything to talk to you’…A great return for the massive fee I paid them at the beginning of my IVA and for the fee I have to pay at the end, but then, I was never very good with money !
It’s amazing how fast they were to ring me when they felt I’d ‘sullied’ their reputation…well guess what…reputations are earned not given ! To protect a good reputation you need to provide a good service, such as phoning people with important information when you promise to.
I don’t need to be told how foolish I’ve been with money, I already know, and I shouldn’t be treated like an idiot just because an IP feels ‘stung’ by my comments, which were facts, not fiction.
I think an offer of £14500 + the £6000 I will have already paid in by my proposed leaving date of 31st may is pretty good. That would be over £20,000 out of the £33000 they will make if I complete the IVA, and that’s if I can raise the ‘equity’ payment of £12000…which lets face it, I wont….my credit rating is shot to bits and my house is dropping in value, who the hell will give me a mortgage with that kind of a record ? If the IVA is extended for a year instead of equity release they will only get an extra £4000 making a total of about £25000 paid back…and I’m offering them just £3500 short of that right now !!!
Oh well…they risk the IVA failing as well as me….
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Post by David Mond » Thu Mar 12, 2009 7:09 am
I am a little perplexed since the advice profferred here to you on this forum is based upon the facts you have given us which in my opinion the suggestion of the F&F was fair and reasonable.

Melanie confirmed to me yesterday that she would look into this matter and I will chase her again.

Hold faith.
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Post by David Mond » Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:11 am
I have had a long chat with Melanie about this matter this morning and I am satisfied that Melanie and her people have given appropriate and clear advice. Marlina - you have been left to make a decision as you have to decide which way to go. Melanie is quite happy to put a variation forward for you, but it is impossible to know which way creditors will respond. No IP can guarrantee what will be the outcome.

My advice is to take the initiative and let Melanie put the variation forward following her giving me further information which you had not put into any of your earlier posts.

I trust that it will work fine for you.
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Post by kallis3 » Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:13 am
I hope that you can get this sorted soon Marlina.
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Post by MARLINA » Wed May 27, 2009 5:30 pm
Yet again I find my self on this forum frustrated by the whole IVA process.
My voluntary redundancy was blown out of the water by the Communications workers union, so that became a non issue. However, just after my last post (March) I asked my IP to offically make a Full and final offer to my creditors of £14,500, which I was told should be a sufficient amount to be successful. My mom offered to pay the money. I am so stressed out by the whole IVA thing I just want to get it out of the way. 2 weeks ago I rang my IP as I'd heard nothing since March...and I was told that 'within 10 days' I would know the date of the creditors meeting which will be in early June....'Great' I thought...today, I rang again as still haven't heard anything, and I'm told I will 'get the paperwork' in a weeks time and then there will be 28 days legal notice given to the creditors and then they can come up with a date...Is it just me, or am I being led down the garden path ? At this rate I will not get rid of this damn IVA until August...I mean we're talking 5 months of waiting ...My mom is getting twitchy about paying it at all now...I find the whole process far too slow, the legal notice should be given much earlier, 5 months of worry is too much. Lets remember this service is not free...Its cost me another 3 IVA payments already...thats over £1000 ( and another 2 at least to come) and I will no doubt have a whopping great fee to pay as well...to add on to the other massive fees i've already paid. If you were paying this kind of money to any other industry they would be pulling out all the stops to do a good job. So far, all ive got for my money, is worry, worry and more worry, and to top it all i was insulted on the phone (twice) by my IP !!!! Yet still my IP seems to think they are beyond criticism ?
If it wasnt for me phoning I would have had no information or contact from my IP about this F&F offer at all. If ther is one thing I have learnt from the whole debt situation ity's this : DONT HAVE AN IVA....it leads to more misery than the original debt problem.
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