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Post by borrowfrommypension » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:46 pm
There has been much press over the past month or so regarding pension receprocation schemes (which appears to be what is being discussed here). The HMRC won a high court ruling last month against such a firm and they are now showing their teeth to other schemes of this ilk. Taking part in such as scheme risks having your pension fund lost for good and also a heafty tax bill because taking your money out before retirement is illegal and a taxable event.

However, there is an alternative, which is a loan offered on interest only basis that is repaid from the projected lump sum of the pension. The loan company requires the pension funds to be managed by their preferred company (and the funds are held in the UK). This is an option for people who have limited access to credit (those in an IVA can apply), the loan is subject to affordability assessment, the borrowers have to be homeowners and employed. This has turned into a plug, I am sorry it was not my intention, but I've done it now! People need to be wary, but for an alternative please look at *link removed*

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Post by kallis3 » Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:13 pm
I'd be very wary about doing anything like this - what happens if the projected lump sum doesn't materialise for any reason? Presumably the person still has to pay the money back? How on earth will they do it?
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Post by borrowfrommypension » Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:30 pm
Firstly, apologies, my earlier post was not intended to be the advertisement it turned into.

Let me start with my story to add some perspective: I am a regulated individual and I lost my business after fighting hard against the credit crunch for two years. My business collapse left me with Personal Guarantees and other debts that I had built up during the period I tried to keep my company together. I decided to seek the advice of an IVA and debt management firm, who after a year of toing and froing and me spending £1,000 (at a time when I could ill afford to spend it), their advice was to file for personal insolvency. Such a move would have buried any chance I had of continuing to exercise my professional skill that I had successfully demonstrated for twenty years.

After much research I found out about borrowing against the value of pension and had learned about PRP schemes and their legality (or lack of). I used a pension that I had not contributed to for many years and, frankly, had forgotten about, as “security” for a personal loan and I used that loan to agreement full and final settlement with nearly all my creditors and thus I have avoided five years of an IVA agreement, or even bankruptcy. I am repaying my personal loan as and when I have capital to do so and will have certainly repaid it long before my retirement age.

So, the loan is not subject to credit score (there is affordability assessment of course), the rate of interest is favourable compared to unsecured personal loan rates from banks such as HSBC, RBS and it has the benefit of being interest only. The loan company will consider CCJ’s and IVA’s, so this is an option for those in restricted credit situations, individuals like me. The loan can be repaid at any time and if the borrower has not repaid it by the time of retirement then the tax free lump is used. Now, that tax free lump sum could rise or fall and therefore it may not be sufficient to repay the loan if the borrower has not already done so. We have seen mortgage lenders review their policy to pension linked mortgages, however, pension backed mortgages have been accepted by lenders since the 1970’s and they will still accept them as repayment method today. A mortgage is a loan, just bigger and secured.

This loan might not be right for everyone, you do have to have your pension fund in a HMRC registered scheme that is managed by the loan company’s preferred manager (but the funds are in the UK), but then the loan company wants to make sure their loan will be repaid. That does not seem unreasonable to me. The pension fund might not perform as well as others, but, that can be said of any scheme. So that is the risk, but at look at how well insurance companies have faired over the past five years, they are hardly gleaming examples of investment guru’s.

So, this offers options, an alternative to getting involved in an IVA for example. It is innovative, but not dis-similar from how mortgages have been underwritten for years. So, of course one should be wary, but as a customer it worked for me and as a result I now introduce others to this service, which, I say again, is not a pension reciprocation plan, but a fresh solution to borrowing money in a time where there is little lending around, especially for those that perhaps need it the most.
 
 

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Post by kallis3 » Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:03 pm
I would still be very wary of doing something like this without taking some independent financial advice.

Your pension is due to keep you going when you retire.
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Post by Adam Davies » Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:09 pm
Hi

As long as it is legal there is no harm discussing the pro's and con's.

I can see the benefit, as in the above case, as long as the person concerned is fully informed and can make an educated decision.

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Post by kentmikey » Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:25 pm
Hi Borrowfrommypension

Just been looking at your homepage, I see that pension loans are only available to homeowners, why is this? I am a tenant but have a pension fund of around £50k.

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Post by kallis3 » Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:53 pm
I presume it is because if you are unable to repay from your pension sum (if the projected figure doesn't live up to expectations) they can ask you to either remortgage or sell your house to pay them back.
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Post by lem » Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:18 pm
I don't understand how these loans are availble to people in an IVA as they are not based on credit score but affordability, well firstly, as an IVA takes ALL your disposable income then there is no way repaying a loan like this would be affordable for anyone in an IVA and secondly, taking on further credit when you're in an IVA because you presumably couldn't pay back what you already owe just seems foolish beyond the extreme to me aside from the fact you would need your IP's express permission to take any credit anyway.

I personally think that once you are in an IVA or are bankrupt, you need to learn to live within your means, go without things you can't afford and relearn how to live your life without access to credit, at least for the term of the IVA, a debt fuelled society has caused so many problems for our economy and we need to change our habits.

It worries me that while legal, these schemes are popping up more and more, see the ones on TV logbbook loans where you can borrow money against your car??? where is it going to end???

What happens with these pension loans if you find yourself losing your job (a very real risk in the current economic climate for many) and you have little chance of paying the loan back by the time you retire? what happens then when you do retire and you have not enough money to live and even less to pay this back???

I would rather have an IVA for 5 years and the knowledge it's done with than touch my pension and worry about having enough money in my pot when I retire to live. My pension is hopefully going to go someway towards paying off my mortgage when I retire. I would never want to borrow against it for anything else.

Can I ask, is there an age limit on how old you need to be before you no longer qualify? is there a restriction on what the loan money can be used for?
 
 

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Post by kallis3 » Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:54 pm
This is why people should take financial advice before doing anything like this.

These days there is no guarantee that your pension will achieve the projected dividend. I'd be worried to death that something was going to happen to my home if I couldn't keep up with the repayments.

I doubt there will be a restriction on what you can spend the money on.

I won't be touching my pension until I can retire!!!
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Post by lem » Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:57 pm
Lots of people don't though Jan as we know and when in a desperate situation will just look for any way to get hold of some money and I just think these kind of solutions that are secured on something are so dangerous (apart from a normal mortgage of course)
 
 

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Post by kallis3 » Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:00 pm
I know Lem - it is scary.
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Post by lem » Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:37 pm
Also, with my NHS pension (well actually I have 2 as I left and then came back into the new scheme) the pension scheme was changed a few years ago so there is no longer a lump sum option, what would have happened to me if I had taken one of these out when the lump sum was an option and then would now be faced with never ending interest payments on a loan that I could never repay???

I think with the uncertainty in pension schemes at the moment and the changes the government and no doubt successive governments would want to make, loans like this are just playing with fire, there are too many things that can go wrong.

At least with my IVA I know interest has been frozen
 
 

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Post by kallis3 » Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:58 pm
This was what I wondered about. I know mine (at the moment anyway) is safe and I will get the lump sum but we hear so often about final salary pension schemes being stopped and of course, even if you have a private pension, those dividends can drop.

I would not want to risk it at all. I'd rather pay my IVA over the term with the possibility of an extra year than worry about whether or not I could pay this sort of company back.

It reminds me a bit of how I felt when I learned that my endowment policy was going to leave me with a hefty shortfall when the mortgage finished. Thankfully I managed to change to a repayment mortgage even though it meant my payments doubled overnight.
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Post by lem » Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:07 pm
I know, I guess that's why you have to be a homeowner as if something like this happens then they will try to take your home to get the money back instead (although I am just summizing, can't think of any other reason why being a homeowner is a prerequisite though?)

I am only 39 and I really couldn't envisage spending the next 30 years of my life worried about changes in pensions and paying interest on a loan every month until I retire with that nagging doubt in my mind all the time if there would be enough of a lump sum (if at all) to pay it back
 
 

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Post by kallis3 » Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:11 pm
I'm with you there Lem - it's bad enough having a mortgage and possibly a secured loan on your house without worrying about having to pay a huge lump sum back at the end.
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