interlocking iva and £5000 clause

Get expert opinion. This is the place for new questions to be posted.
10 posts Page 1 of 1
 
 

NMC

User avatar
Posts: 29
Joined: Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:44 pm
Location:

Post by NMC » Wed Nov 11, 2015 7:48 am
Hi all,
We are having our house valued tomorrow in preparation for a full and final payment to be offered. We have an interlocking iva and a joint mortgage, looking through our paperwork we both have a line that says 'if your share of the equity is less than £5000....' we won't need to pay an extra year.

So, as we both have that in our agreement does that mean we need more than £10000 equity?

That's how I understood it but will or IP think the same? It's going to be quite tight and will probably be irrelevant because by my guess on the valuation we will probably have less than £1000 over the £10,000!
Thank you
 
 

Shining

User avatar
Posts: 27019
Joined: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:57 am
Location:

Post by Shining » Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:51 am
Hi, I'm not sure I always believed it to be 5k for the valuation but hang in there for an expert opinion. All the best with your F&F.
IVA final payment left the bank on the 26th January 2013...looking forward to a debt free future.
 
 

kallis3

User avatar
Forum Expert
Posts: 77176
Joined: Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:02 pm
Location: United Kingdom

Post by kallis3 » Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:53 am
Hi, I'm not sure either but I think Lesley is correct.
Sharing from experiences of dealing with debt
The greatness of a man is not in how much wealth he acquires, but in his integrity and his ability to affect those around him positively.
Bob Marley.
http://kallis3.blogs.iva.co.uk
 
 

Shining

User avatar
Posts: 27019
Joined: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:57 am
Location:

Post by Shining » Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:01 am
After a very quick search here is a link to a previous posting.

http://www.iva.co.uk/iva_sitemap/interl ... _58287.asp

Not sure how reliable this is either so best to check with your own IP and the wording in your proposal:

“Do we each get a £5,000 minimum in a joint IVA?”
Yes. You may think you have a joint IVA, but actually you have two interlocking IVAs. The result is that the calculation is done separately for each of you on your half of the house/mortgage and each calculation has a £5,000 minimum. (It is possible your IVAs are worded differently, but it would be unusual.)

Taken from:

http://debtcamel.co.uk/iva-equity-release/
Last edited by Shining on Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:03 am, edited 1 time in total.
IVA final payment left the bank on the 26th January 2013...looking forward to a debt free future.
 
 

kallis3

User avatar
Forum Expert
Posts: 77176
Joined: Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:02 pm
Location: United Kingdom

Post by kallis3 » Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:04 am
Thanks Lesley - must admit it didn't apply to us as we had way too much equity so knew we would do the extra year.
Sharing from experiences of dealing with debt
The greatness of a man is not in how much wealth he acquires, but in his integrity and his ability to affect those around him positively.
Bob Marley.
http://kallis3.blogs.iva.co.uk
 
 

lifenoteasy

User avatar
Posts: 3248
Joined: Thu Feb 05, 2015 2:26 pm
Location: United Kingdom

Post by lifenoteasy » Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:05 am
The way that I understand it interlocking IVA's are used to mainly ensure that creditor process managed more smoothly plus one of the reasons is to reduce the level of stress between partners i.e. you are both in an IVA and know what the restrictions are etc.

This does not make you legally responsible for each others debts and you can request the interlocking arrangement to be dissolved at any stage (but the IVA company will not like you).

Because they are interlocking you are each treated in your own right and the 5k clause is applied to each of your agreements but not added together.

Some companies have been pushing an interpretation that the 5k de minimis clause only applies once because the IVA's are interlocking.

It will come down to who you are with and you should be asking them now how they interpret and apply this.
IVA started March 2011, Completed March 2016 and certificate issued 11 days after final payment. It was not always easy but then some of the best decisions aren't.
 
 

Michael Peoples

User avatar
Industry Expert
Posts: 15189
Joined: Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:36 pm
Location:

Post by Michael Peoples » Wed Nov 11, 2015 7:28 pm
The £5k is usually each but some IPs try to interpret if as together and when only one party is actually in an IVA there are even more possibilities.
Michael Peoples | McCambridge Duffy Insolvency Practitioners
http://www.mccambridgeduffy.com
If you would like to talk to me about proposing an IVA or have any questions at all please visit www.mccambridgeduffy.com
 
 

abbiesmum2003

User avatar
Posts: 955
Joined: Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:50 pm
Location:

Post by abbiesmum2003 » Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:11 am
When we set up our IVA with Mel initially she explained it was 5000 each as its stated in each agreement so as each of us have it, 10k would be required. Im sure i had it in writing from her or one of her team incase issues crop up at a later date.
 
 

longslog101

User avatar
Posts: 526
Joined: Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:19 am
Location:

Post by longslog101 » Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:27 am
Grant Thornton tried to do this to a poster called vic1507 in their valuation to try and extend the IVA, the discussion is here http://www.iva.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TO ... hichpage=2

he went through the full complaints procedure and escalated it to risk and compliance, they eventually agreed it is individually assessed and there was not a requirement to extend.

Remember it is not just £5k, but taking into account the LTV percentage in your agreement too.

If they say you need to extend further come bac here and post the valuation and what your agreement actually says about equity and LTV and someone will double check they have indeed done it correctly rather than in their favour.

My blog (link in signature) talks about this a bit.
My Blog details, the route I took before IVA, how I choose my firm, equity release advice (year 4-5), challenging the CRA's keeping IVA on credit file once gone from insolvency register

IVA ended August 2015. Would recommend McCambridge Duffy
 
 

Lisa Thomas

User avatar
Industry Expert
Posts: 7759
Joined: Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:26 am

Post by Lisa Thomas » Thu Nov 12, 2015 4:13 pm
The words 'your share' seem to imply to me that you each need £5k so the minimum is £10k for you jointly. (assuming you own it 50:50
I'm a licensed IP with 16+ yrs at Neville & Co covering the South West area. I have a YouTube channel with advisory videos on here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMPTTu ... Z5k9ZcC2MA http://www.nevilleco.co.uk 01752 786800 Lisa@nevilleco.co.uk
10 posts Page 1 of 1
Return to “Ask IVA Forum and Industry experts”