can I enter a IVA if i have a charging order ?

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Post by Gotcha » Thu May 01, 2008 10:21 pm
Hi everyone - just to say this is a great forum !! This will be my first post. Single parent with 3 children. I have a question can I enter a IVA if i have a charging order on my property? Im in sharedownership and own 50%. I have a court case tommorrow! I have been in a DMP with payplan since 2006. Just started a new job so a bit more money. Thinking about an IVA after my probation period is over. My debt is about 62K !! that was painful to say!!
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Post by facingittogether » Thu May 01, 2008 10:25 pm
hi just wanted to say a big welcome to the forum!

sorry i am not an expert just another person in debt but i am sure there will be an expert along shortly!

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Post by size5 » Thu May 01, 2008 11:29 pm
I would need more info before I could give you any sort of advice Gotcha, but a debt that has a court approved charging order CANNOT go into an IVA.

That doesn't mean that an IVA is out of the question, nor does it mean that an IVA is the right way to address the problem.

I can only encourage you to speak to a professional directly, you may wish to visit www.iva.com and have a look round there, but speak to 2 or 3 people before you make a decision.

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Post by ianmillington » Thu May 01, 2008 11:38 pm
Michael is dead right in that the holder of a charging order is a secured creditor. Just to add, however, that if during the course of the IVA the house were to go and there was not enough money to settle the charging order, then any shortfall would be bound by the IVA.

As Michael has indicated, whether an IVA is right for you will depend on a number of factors, of which this is of course one.

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Post by MelanieGiles » Thu May 01, 2008 11:53 pm
What do you mean by probation period?
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Post by Atlanta » Fri May 02, 2008 12:02 am
Thanks you guys work late.

Alliance and leicester want to put a charge on my property £8206. I have been paying them through my DMP, but they were not satisfied with the amount hence court action.

I wanted to know what my options were. DMP was a temporary soloution, as i did not know what my financial cicumstances would be. I recently started a new job. Before i could commit to an IVA i wanted to wait for my probation period to be up (Melanie - job probation) so i know i have a permanent job.

What are my options.. I'm hoping to go to court and let them know of my plans to enter into an IVA in which i can ensure all my creditors are being dealth with via an IVA. I dont want to go BR i have dependent children... I'm feeling very anxious now..
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Post by ianmillington » Fri May 02, 2008 12:10 am
OK, the legal position:

Once an interim charging order is obtained then the holder of the charge has already obtained his interest and the final order some weeks later is, frankly merely symbolic. An IVA without an interim order between the 2 will not upset that charge or at least is highly unlikely to.

If you do an IVA the old-fashioned way and get an interim order under the Insolvency Act before the interim charging order is granted, then you can block the application and if the iVA is approved then the creditor is bound and can't get the charging order at all.

The downside of this is simply that you will have less preparation time. It is also important that you talk to old fashioned IPs who are familiar with this process rather than those who are simply accustomed to routine cases. A couple of calls to IP firms with the above knowledge will help you sort the wheat from the chaff.

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Post by MelanieGiles » Fri May 02, 2008 12:53 am
If you propose the IVA after the Interim Charging Order but before the final hearing, the IVA will take precedence over the charge and it will have to be removed. There is caselaw to confirm this point, so if you are intending on putting an IVA together I would get going asap.
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Post by ianmillington » Fri May 02, 2008 10:10 am
I used to agree with that view Melanie, it is logical and rational, until one of my lawyer friends drew my attention to this:

http://www.insolvency.gov.uk/freedomofi ... part_4.htm

Clause 9.103 is important:

"The court upon a without notice application by the creditor makes a charging order nisi. A charging order is not completed until it is made absolute, but once the order is made absolute, the charge operates from the date of the order nisi. Under the COA, section 3(4), a charge imposed by a charging order takes effect and is enforceable as if it were an equitable charge created by the debtor from the date of the making of the charging order nisi. It is liable to be set aside if the charging order is not made absolute."

Thus, if the interim charge has been made the only thing that can be guaranteed to stop it is a bankruptcy. Because the charge takes effect "as if made by the debtor as at the date of the order nisi" arguably a subsequently produced IVA proposal has to take account of the charge. The Court in which the charging order was made ought to give heed to an interim order (particularly if the order includes a stay of the action) but the simple convening of a meeting will not have any legal effect at all. As a result, unless the creditor votes at the meeting and fails to disclose or value his security then the debtor would appear to be stuffed. A wholly unsatisfactory state of affairs I agree, but yet another example of where one area over the law nullifies another.

I note you refer to some case law on this - do you have the case name please, so I can check it out, because I will be very happy if my view of this is wrong?

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Post by facingittogether » Sat May 03, 2008 8:46 pm
hi

so are you saying that american express can still get a charging order on our property even though our iva was approved on 28th april as they have a court date for an order in june, they voted no at our meeting but because our iva was approved i thought that would overide their application for a charging order

starting to worry again now

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Post by go_4_broke » Sat May 03, 2008 9:02 pm
Hi Barb

Don't think you need worry.

If Amex have not already been to court and got the interim (nisi) order before the IVA was approved then I don't think they have any chance now and none of the above is relevant.

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Post by facingittogether » Sun May 04, 2008 12:38 am
thanks simon - you have put my mind at rest.

have sent the correspondence to melanies team so hopefully they will deal with it

thanks again

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Post by MelanieGiles » Mon May 05, 2008 2:21 pm
Ian

I will dig the caselaw out for you and e-mail it - because I have now suffessfully relied upon this in two Court hearings.
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Post by ianmillington » Tue May 06, 2008 10:37 am
Thanks Melanie, look forward to getting it.

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