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Post by johnz » Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:18 pm
No IVA for me [:(] No bankruptcy either (although I think that's a good thing). Hohum. Back to the drawing board. Was up all last night researching various things on the internet and have come up with a plan that I hope my creditors will agree too. It's a self management plan called Snowball Debt Management??? Basically, you organise them, so that they get paid off as quickly as possible from the lowest debt to the highest debt. As you clear the lower debt, that extra money then goes onto the next lowest until that clears and so on.

Only drawback is that somehow I have to convince my creditors to stop interest and charges. But if I can get them to agree, I will still be debt free within 5 years. Here's hoping.

Anyway's I just wanted to say thanks for your support and wish everyone luck.

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Post by R1chard » Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:25 pm
good luck with that!

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Post by scaredkez » Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:57 pm
good luck with the snowball, i have heard of others that have done that and it has worked for them, anything is worth ago.
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Post by aguise » Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:00 pm
All the best from me too johnz. I hope it goes well for you.

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Post by Skippy » Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:12 pm
Good luck Johnz x

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Post by MelanieGiles » Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:23 pm
I don't see the difference between this concept and a normal Debt Management Agreement if interest is to be stopped. Am I missing something, as I have never heard of such a product.

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Post by scaredkez » Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:47 pm
hi melanie i seen it on another site, it all depends i suppose on how high the debts are , this is the guidance they have on it:

When thinking about how to tackle your debts, you'll find you have a number of options to consider. These include getting a better deal on your credit card debts by transferring them to a low-interest rate card, consolidating the debts by getting a personal loan at the lowest possible interest rate, or even releasing some of the equity in your home by remortgaging. The aim in any or all of these options is to get a better deal so that you are freeing up as much money as possible to put towards paying off the debts.

If you're not in a position to do any of these things then it's time to prioritise.

Look at all the debts and think about which ones have the highest interest rates. Who is nagging you the most for money? Can you meet at least the minimum payment for each debt? And do you have some money to spare to feed the most voracious debt, ie: the one charging the highest interest rate?

If so -- then do it! Throw as much as you can at the most expensive debt until it's cleared while making minimum payments on the others. Then tackle the next one, and the next one, and the next one!

One technique you could try is known as snowballing. The idea of snowballing is to single out one credit card as your target and throw all the money you can at it whilst making minimum payments on all the other debts. Once you've paid off your first target debt, you then use all that freed-up money to tackle the next one on your list. Have a look at this example for three credit card debts:
Debt Amount
owed APR Minimum
payment
CC 1 £1,000 22% £50
CC 2 £5,000 12% £150
CC 3 £10,000 6% £300


You owe a total of £16,000 and your minimum payments each month are £500. It's quite a scary number, and it's obviously going to take a long time to pay these cards off if you only make the stated minimum payments. Three years and one month actually - and that's only if you keep paying the same amount each month. You'll be looking at many more years if you reduce your minimum payments whenever the credit card companies tell you that you can.

But let's say you've managed to pare down your expenditure so that you've got a spare £200 available each month on top of the £500 minimum payments for all of the debts. Where do you start?

Well, logically, it makes sense to focus on the most expensive debt first -- the £1,000 with an APR of 22%. (It also has the added bonus of being the smallest debt so you'll get a result pretty quickly, which should prove motivating).

So, let's pay the minimum of £50 + the spare £200 towards this debt -- a total of £250 -- whilst continuing to make the minimum payments on the others. Note that, as you gradually pay off this first debt, you'll be told that your minimum payment has been cut - but don't reduce it! Keep paying it off at the same rate. You'll have cleared CC1 after five months.

Obviously, you'll then have a spare £250 a month to throw at the next debt. If you add that £250 to the £150 you're paying for CC2, you'll have a total of £400 to chuck at this second debt. Because you've also been making minimum payments whilst paying off CC1, you'll have cleared CC2 17 months from now.

Eventually, you'll have £400 available to add to the £300 you're paying for CC3 -- a total of £700 a month. Wow! You'll be shot of that debt in no time at all! Debt-free two years and one month after you started - and you'll have saved yourself a bundle in interest at the same time.

Can you see how the "snowball" has got bigger and bigger? If you'd just made the same minimum payments listed in the table, it would have taken you three years and one month to clear your debts. But using this method, you'll be "clean" a whole year sooner -- and £700 a month richer!

From a psychological point of view, some people find it easier to tackle the smallest debts first -- regardless of how much they're actually costing in interest charges.

This method does at least induce a sense of satisfaction more quickly -- and if it's the one that works for you -- then reassure yourself with the thought that at least you are doing something. However, bear in mind that it will take longer to clear your debts overall if the smallest ones also happen to be the cheapest to finance.

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Post by MelanieGiles » Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:55 pm
I can see the sense in this if the creditors are going to continue to charge interest, but I can see no advantage if interest is stopped.

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Post by Andrew Graveson » Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:22 am
The 'snowball method' is widely advertised and sometimes recomended in America.

Psychologically it's brilliant. As you move forwards the number of creditors reduces one by one - instant recognition of your work to clear the debt. I can fully see the attraction.

Mathematically and practically it may or may not be so good. Giving preferential treatment to one creditor could lead to the disenfranchisement of other creditors. Clearing one high interest debt will save money - but what if some or all of the creditors will freeze interest if they feel they are receiving your best offer? Does the saving of clearing one debt alone outweigh the opportunity cost of ignoring the others?

Is there a risk (and this question is personal to any individual) of incurring county court judgments that lead to visits by warrant officers, attachments of earnings, or charging orders on a home?

Difficult. If a snowball plan works then it makes awesome financial and psychological sense. If it doesn't there is a cost.

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Post by johnz » Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:29 am
Hi

In answer to your question Melanie, the only advantage doing it this way is that all of my disposable income goes towards paying off the debt whereas in a DMP I will have to pay some of it towards the costs of the company that organise it. I thought I would attempt to get some sort of agreement in place myself to try to save the costs involved.

Do you not think the creditors would be open to the suggestion that I could pay all of them off within 5 years if they agreed to the plan, rather than going through a DMP company and it taking up to 9 years?

If not, then I will go through a DMP company.

As always, you're advice is appreciated.

Had to tell hubby last night that the IVA wasn't going to happen. As expected, he blew his top. So 2 nights with no sleep now and after 5 weeks I'm still no closer to getting this sorted.

I'm still upset that I can't go do an IVA. After all, if I committed a crime, I couldn't get my husband to do some of the prison time just because we're married. So why the creditors can insist he be responsible for some of my debt I have no idea. It just doesn't seem right to me.

Even started to have really stupid thoughts like "Perhaps I can sue the creditors for mental anguish. After all, they agreed to loan me all of this money". Silly, I know. But thinking about it for a couple of minutes gives me a slight reprieve. Perhaps if I lived in the USA.......

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Post by MelanieGiles » Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:38 pm
Hi Johnz

I am so sorry to hear that your husband is not being supportive. I expect he has his own reasons for this, but unfortunately it is the people who are owed the money that call the tune these days, whether we accept that or not.

To use your comparison of committing a crime - if this happened, and your husband knew that you had but did not tell anyone, but was found to know about your crime then he would be held as an accessory to that crime and potentially charged for a lesser sentence. This is similar to the principle operated by most lenders these days.

If you feel that you are better off trying the DMP yourself, or going to one of the companies which offer free services, then this is somethink you should give consideration to. Alternatively, you may feel it is beneficial to have a debt professional acting for you - and as I always say you do get what you pay for.

Sorry I cannot be of more help on this occasion.

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Post by Skippy » Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:00 pm
Johnz, why don't you have a word with Andrew Graveson from Brightoak who posts on this site? Melanie has recommended him for DMPs in the past.

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Post by johnz » Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:22 pm
Oh, how things can change in a few hours!

Melanie, please can you thank Tina for getting Andrew to phone me. He was wonderful and the sorting of my DMP is now in progress. My husband is being as supportive as he can be right now. He's being totally wonderful really, just not in monetary terms. And after all I've put him through, I really wouldn't expect that of him. Thanks for all your help [:)]

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Post by aguise » Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:50 pm
John Z
Glad to see you have found some light. All the best, give hubby some time , let things settle you will be ok.

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Post by MelanieGiles » Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:34 pm
So glad to hear that you are feeling more positive about everything, and rest assured you are in very safe hands with Andrew and Brightoak.

Regards, Melanie Giles, Insolvency Practitioner for over 20 years.

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