What are the implications of having a joint mortgage with my ex partner who is entering an IVA ?

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Post by kallis3 » Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:58 pm
Fingers crossed for you Sarah - hopefully you can get something sorted next week.
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Post by longslog101 » Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:29 pm
I don't like to see anyone backed into a corner, either financially or by emotional blackmail or bullies etc, it is why I post here because I'm all about the little guy having the best chance they have against whoever.

I know you will have thought long and hard about it, and I know that at any one point we all like to think we have a 5 year plan but life does change in those 5 years, ask anyone here who has committed to a 5 year plan in an IVA if anything unexpected cropped up or their life's changed significantly, I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who has remained static and all going to plan with no swerve balls.

What I'm trying to say is that of you're thinking about going along with this please remember that if you need credit for anything, need to rent a new house, e.g. get kicked out of a place by a landlord, your current partner gets made redundant and you need credit (he may fail a check as he is financially associate with you, who is financially associated with ex) etc etc

You might find some bank cards you currently have that are with any creditors he has might get stopped becaue you are financially associated (depends how each lender works, more experienced people here could advise on that) that could mean money in your account gets frozen that you can't get access to, sure it would be released later when all become clear (so long as there is no other association and he hasn't taken credit elsewhere in some joint account or secured on the mortgage that is also in your name).

I have been reading here http://moneyforums.citywire.co.uk/yaf_p ... kdown.aspx

And here
https://www.moneyadviceservice.org.uk/e ... separation

I did wonder what the options would be if the mortgage company came to realise that you both no longer were in a position to service the mortgage if they would advise they are no longer willing to honour the mortgsge - perhaps that is a route,the solicitor might suggest ? I have never heard of it, but I presume he would be forced to sell then or remortgage on his own or with someone else.

I presume he can't do this and can't get a mortgage in his name alone, but has he explored any specialist lenders or indeed the current mortgage company and demonstrate he has been paying the mortgage alone for the last 2 years without your input financially at all, if you both wrote a letter to the lender saying you declare he has been going it alone at the property would they consider removing your name from the property and just keeping mortgage as it is ? Obviously between us he clearly hasn't been managing but that is neither here nor there if it facilitates getting your name off the mortgage, if there is equity (never believe an ex when they say there is non) he could buy out your share ? Have you had this discussion ?

Perhaps these are all points you could discuss with the solicitors, do see the CAB too, they can offer some free advice too.

When it comes to remortgage time or indeed having to possibly take a secured loan in 5 years time if you are still on the mortgage that would require you to agree to that again, once again if he can't afford a secure loan at that point on his own to secure the loan against the mortgage they are going to be coming for your permission again.

At some point he has to cut the financial strings, I'm a great believer that for all concerned that that point is now, to pay a little money now to do this using a solicitor or even if it means advising the mortgage company he isn't coping and they need to terminate the mortgage (or whoever your solicitor suggests) it will be better for all in the long run.

He will right now be a rabbit in head lights and be trying anything to avoid angry calls, debt collectors and bailiffs etc etc so he will perhaps not be acting super rationally,

In 5 years you might want your own mortgage, need a new car, need to oay for something on finance and not want to remortgage or put your name to a secured loan for another 15 years to release the equity, incidentally if you fail to agree to remortgage/secure loan in 5 years he could be breached on his IVA and even if he didn't get to release any equity after 12 more months of IVA payments at the very end of the IVA it take another year before it drops off the credit file, what then you are back in the same situation as today and he refuses to sell.

Interest rates could rise, his mortgage becomes unaffordable and he starts to default on it or requests a payment break/extension this extends the IVA for maybe a year or 2. Or 4 or 10 !! Etc etc and then what, still in same situation. Something has driven him to payday loans, has it been since you moved out perhaps he can't actually service the place and a default on the mortgage is inevitable as there will be no place to turn for extra finance once in an IVA.

I read more here too http://www.stephensons.co.uk/site/indiv ... abitation/

And here

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/sho ... p?t=166345

I know he won't want to hear form you but rather than be rushed into a big decision I think politely suggesting he enter into a for so DMP through stepchange or similar will keep the wolfs away (unless he has done that and not kept to terms already).

His firm, which is charging a fee upfront (not usual) will be telling him what he needs to hear to sign the paperwork so they make their money, I know it sounds cynical of me, but any firm that charges a fee up front, is not in it for the client IMHO,they are in it for the money.

Please think this one through very very carefully and discuss with your current partner and perhaps your family too (people external to the situation with no emotional involvement often see things the involved parties do not and can thin a little more rationally. No offence) the risks vs rewards of each step, once you have seen your solicitor and the CAB you and your current partner will have some options to discuss together , so even if you see a solicitor next Wednesday you need time to reflect on that info, so don't say I will have an answer for you on Wednesday I would also take your current partner with you, its good to have both of you hear things as sometimes it can be data overload and recalling everything is a bit of an overload (iPhone voice memo app is handy for this, with phone in aeroplane mode so no calls or texts don't turn it off).

The very best of luck to you, having a big heart is great to help someone out, bit its a hell of a restriction on your financial life going forward for an unconfirmed period of time if you just sign that bit of paper with no other agreements. Ps if solicitor recommends some agreement be drafted,be sure he is the one that pays if, even if its on a credit card that he's about to default on.

Anyway that enough of me sticking my nose in,,,,,
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Post by Sarah.63 » Fri Sep 25, 2015 8:27 pm
No thank you, I really appreciate your advice.

My whole approach to this has backfired, I sent that e-mail, trying to be reasonable, and then text him to say what I was doing. He got angry and said not to bother, that he's cancelled the mortgage direct debit, that we can go to court and that the "money he saves from the mortgage will pay his court costs".

He's basically saying that he's not going to pay the mortgage, he'll let them repossess the house, and he wants to take me to court for fraud.

To be honest, If I could take this all the way I would, he has put me through a lot of stress since we have separated, plus I've had my own separate issues (facing redundancy).... I just don't have the strength to fight this in court. And what if, even though anything I purchased with his card, any thing I used on his accounts was for the house, and always with permission, I have no proof of this. So it does worry me that they could believe him. He has threatened me with this numerous times before, but only ever when something like this comes up, when he wants to scare me into doing something. Basically he knows that it's something that would make me worry and back down because I don't want the hassle.

He may be bluffing, but reading your last post has made me question what I'm doing tying myself to this person for a further 6 years, maybe I should just bite the bullet and get this all done.

When you mentioned blackmail, that really hit me. He is blackmailing me and i'm letting him.
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Post by lifenoteasy » Fri Sep 25, 2015 8:45 pm
If we can help we will.

Irrespective wait until you hear from the iva company.

A little time irrespective will only help you.
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Post by Sarah.63 » Fri Sep 25, 2015 9:00 pm
Thank you. I am not going to contact him again, he is picking the kids up tomorrow, which I hate but hey ho I would never stop that from happening.

I will wait to see what the IVA company say, I'm going to keep my appointment with the solicitors and just get it all out with them, find out my options, and take it from there. I'm also going to ring the mortgage company on Monday, to find out if in fact he has cancelled the direct debit. I won't tell him, but if he hasn't then I know he's bluffing to scare me into signing the forms. Regardless, at this point, I'm b***** fed up with him feeling like he has something over me, and I would absolutely love to take that away from him.
 
 

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Post by longslog101 » Sat Sep 26, 2015 2:34 pm
At least now you have seen true colours. You can think about his all for a few days and you can also ask the solicitor for their opinion on:

1. The IVA
2. How to get out the situation/mortgage.
3. Advice on the mortgage situation.
4. credibility of these threats

I believe (I'm no pro) he is jeopardising the IVA potential if he defaults on the secured debts, everything I have read says you need to keep paying secure debts.

If he does default on the mortgage eventually they will boot him out and it would be at the mortgage companies expense, yes it might damage your credit file a bit as it is a joint mortgage but a force mortgage sale might be just the ticket if invoked by them at their expense and then this expense covered by equity in the house - your solicitor will be able to advise on this, my thoughts are your credit file might get trashed either way, if one way also means the mortgage is ended at least you get something out of it.

Be sure your mortgage company has your current correspondence address so you get a copy of everything at your current address rather than everything going to him.

your solicitor may even suggest letting the mortgage company know what is going on.

if you have copies of all emails that show the arrangement of the last 2 years that may be helpful too.

The solicitor won't have time I read everything when you are here but give you an overview, sometimes preparing a quick overview of the current situation typed up for the solicitor and sending in advance may help (email to them), do be sure it is a different solicitor to the one he is using ;)

Sometimes things happen for a reason, if he is going to force the issue it might be for the best, let us know the solicitors throughts on the best way forward, till then, do nothing and just catalogue together all your written communications.

regarding the threat of suing you, I'd love to know how he plans on financing that if he hasn't got two pennies to rub together, maybe he has some spare capital to find this, in which case it is an asset that Should be directed into his IVA !! Also any civil legal proceedings would cost money, and havjng been through a few court cases you can also ask the judge to insist a payment is made into court at early stages to cover legal fees of the other party, each party pays in, then if one party goes bankrupt, or e.g. into an IVA the court and the other party still get their expenses reimbursed. I think his threat is unfounded, your historic statement will demonstrate you lived and spent as a family unit. any judge in their right mind would say show me the proof or was unauthorised transaction/fraud - show me the fraud report filed with bank or email or text you sent each other about this, show me the agreement you made to repay the money,
what there s none !? etc etc bla bla I'm pretty sure on the face of it he's just trying to scare and intimidate you, again. the only way to deal with a bully is to hit them hard in the Nose and they back off.

His email threatening such things should also be shown to your solicitor its all very good for demonstrating the type of character which can be handy in court if required. I would only correspond via text/email/letter now anything to do with this, if he tries to get into a conversation just politely say you have been advised not to engage in conversation regards the matter and please communicate in writing or via your solicitor. Watch the bully back down then an try another approach !!

good luck :)
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Post by longslog101 » Tue Oct 06, 2015 2:46 pm
Sarah,

what happened in the end ?
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