What happens to compensation with interest for incorrect pay ?

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nicola1982

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Post by nicola1982 » Fri Mar 30, 2012 6:27 pm
My partner and I have an IVA which started 6 months ago. Our debts are £40, 000. My partner works for the local authority. They have spent the past 2 years carrying out a review of all jobs and pay scales for all its employees. My partner has been written to this week to inform him that for the entire duration of his employment he has been an incorrect pay scale. They have offered him both compensation, with interest, plus backdated pay for 5 years. The exact sum hasn't yet been announced but will be between £18, 000 and £26, 000. Where do we stand with this? This money is in effect wages that he should have earned over 5 years, the lack of which worsened our financial situation. Are we allowed to keep any money?
 
 

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Post by Orange78 » Fri Mar 30, 2012 6:29 pm
Unfortunately, as your I&E would have been based on the actual figure that he was being paid, my guess is that this would be classified as a windfall.

Hopefully an expert will clear this one up for you.
 
 

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Post by ginger3232 » Fri Mar 30, 2012 6:31 pm
Nicola - welcome to the forum, speak to your own IVA/IP directly to get a definate, correct answer. personally i hope at least you will be able to keep at least a little of it.
 
 

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Post by zeozhane » Fri Mar 30, 2012 6:40 pm
Could it not be used for a potential F&F?

This would speed up the end of the IVA for you.
 
 

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Post by Broke of London » Fri Mar 30, 2012 6:42 pm
I think our logic follows different paths! I would have thought lack of wages worsened your financial situation which led to debt. So the introduction of wages improves your financial situation by repaying the debt.
 
 

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Post by nicola1982 » Fri Mar 30, 2012 6:54 pm
Thanks for all your replies. Yes, you're right that being on a higher pay scale will improve our situation. My original post was referring to the fact that we struggled each month to cover our debt payments, and had my partner been paid correctly over 5 years it is possible that we might not have had to go down the IVA route.
Does anyone know if we can keep a percentage of the money he will get, or if not, if our IVA can end earlier than the 5 years? The figure has now been confirmed as £3000 compensation plus £22, 500 in backdated pay. If they take this plus the repayments over the next 4 and a half years then we will end up paying more than originally stated.
 
 

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Post by nicola1982 » Fri Mar 30, 2012 6:55 pm
Sorry- this is all new to me. What's an F & F?
 
 

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Post by ginger3232 » Fri Mar 30, 2012 6:57 pm
Full and final settlement - your IVA proposal will state about windfalls - so really for accurate information you need to check it directly with your IP/IVA company
 
 

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Post by Foggy » Fri Mar 30, 2012 6:57 pm
F&F is a full and final offer, to end the IVA early with a lump sum
My opinions are merely that .. opinions based on experience. Always seek professional advice.
IVA Completed 23rd July 2013 .... C.C. 10th January 2014
 
 

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Post by nicola1982 » Fri Mar 30, 2012 6:59 pm
Thanks for that. Will check first thing Monday morning!
 
 

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Post by Michael Peoples » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:26 am
This seems definitely a windfall but only in your partner's name. Is it possible to clear his IVA in full and let yours continue on?
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Post by morgan105 » Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:28 pm
font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:<hr height="1" noshade>Originally posted by nicola1982

Does anyone know if we can keep a percentage of the money he will get, or if not, if our IVA can end earlier than the 5 years? The figure has now been confirmed as £3000 compensation plus £22, 500 in backdated pay. If they take this plus the repayments over the next 4 and a half years then we will end up paying more than originally stated.
It may get classed as a windfall as others have said and captured by your IVA, BUT, you will only ever pay back a maximum 100% of your debt plus fees. So if this is captured and you continue to make payments, if you reach 100% of the amount of your debt plus fees before 5 years then your IVA will complete early and you will not continue to pay for any remaining years/months up to 5 years.
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Post by MelanieGiles » Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:41 am
I personally don't agree with the windfall argument, and would probably treat this under the 10%/50/50 ruling if it were my client given that it relates to wages - but both arguments could probably be run to be frank.

How appalling that he can be owed such a large sum of money for the last two years - it beggars belief about our civil service to be honest - and you must be so angry that this has contributed to your financial difficulties.
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Post by nicola1982 » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:24 pm
Thanks for all your replies.

We today found out that we will be able to keep half the money, which is a great result for us. This is far more than we anticpated but we feel quite justified after 5 years of underpayment.
 
 

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Post by nickjohn » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:34 pm
font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:<hr height="1" noshade>Originally posted by MelanieGiles

I personally don't agree with the windfall argument, and would probably treat this under the 10%/50/50 ruling if it were my client given that it relates to wages - but both arguments could probably be run to be frank.

How appalling that he can be owed such a large sum of money for the last two years - it beggars belief about our civil service to be honest - and you must be so angry that this has contributed to your financial difficulties.
Hi melanie,

Just a quick one I have seen this 10%50/50 mentioned before but what is it??
Also the money in this case is unpaid backdated wages and not classed as a windfall but a PPI reclaim - which is wages earned and tax / NI paid on is an asset and 100% of which has to be paid into the IVA, why are the 2 not classed as the same as both are wages so both should be assets....
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