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Post by recovering » Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:16 pm
Have to agree with you Lesley, how would they even know to cold call? and should they? future mis-selling claims keep popping into my head!
 
 

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Post by Iandt3 » Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:27 pm
I refer to it as debt consolidating as that's how it's been put across to me in the initial 'cold call'.

How would I go about having an IP company check this all out for me? The Creditfix people are asking for paperwork to be signed and returned by Wednesday for the case to continue.

I'm not sure where to go with it tbh. Our options are unclear, as till this point I've been happy to just pay what we owe and use the overdraft as the crutch it is. Not a perfect scenario but one that works for us, but will change when my wife gets hit with 1/2 maternity pay.
 
 

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Post by longslog101 » Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:56 pm
I'm a great believer that anyone cold calling you to "sell" you something is worth avoiding at all costs, the best thing you have done is come to this forum though, remember there is the sales pitch, these companies will make money from providing you with an IVA.

I would quite like it if you said thanks for drawing my attention to IVA's, I have decided to look further into them with some of the reputable firms recommended on IVA.co.uk

Cold caller zero - consumer one [:D]
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Post by kallis3 » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:05 pm
I would never agree to something from a cold caller.

There are some good companies on here.
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Post by longslog101 » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:10 pm
You haven't mentioned if you have any equity in your house, that can have a massive bearing on what you pay back after the Firm take their £1500-£2500 a year in fees etc. to me it sounds like an IVA is a questionable choice for you, you seem do ok each month and end up back at the same point after paying your bills, an IVA will be the same, its just your starting point is in the overdraft not the zero number, you will end up back at the same point each month, you won't have spare cash, any spare must be allocated to the IVA.

So to me it just seems you are going to sack off a good credit rating and plodding along for for an awful credit rating, still plodding along, but with many more restrictions on you - one that limits your financial options for 6 years for no real gain, e.g. If you wanted yo remortgage within 6 years or rent a property you will fail categorically fail a credit check.

The charity step-change might be helpful to you, I found them very helpful. If they do point you in an IVA direction come back and do as foggy says, speak to the firms he has recommended. They might even recommend a DMP when they freeze interest on the debts, I did this for a period while I milled over IVA idea, remember even a Dmp is a breach of credit terms and will result on a default notice and start to tarnish your credit rating.

I would tell credit-fix to do one though, you might also want to search the forum for credit fix to identify any issues complained about in the firm.

Is your credit good now ? Is there the ability to be an unsecured credit card tart and switch to zero percent days with other firms to make more of a dent in the unsecured debt ? (But do close the old cards if you jump - that was one of my mistakes,I didn't). http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/credit ... edit-cards
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Post by Iandt3 » Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:31 pm
Right I'll specify my circumstances to the letter...

I rent my property, have no mortgage and no savings with which to attempt to climb the ladder.

Between myself and wife, we earn more money than is paid out on BILLS which won't ever go away (rent, poll tax etc)

The spare cash left is sucked up by either paying the overdraft or paying the charges for being in the overdraft.

My credit rating is good, never refused anything, but the fact I've always had access to credit is what's got us into this pickle.

The problem isn't our income as such, it's where it's going (the overdraft) but we can't afford to get another loan to wipe the overdraft as any such loan at that amount is going to require more of our spare cash each month to repay the 'new loan'

We have a newborn baby, my wife has just started maternity leave and is only having 5 months off, as her pay drops significantly after that. As it stands, she will get 2 months full pay and 3 months half pay, so for 3 months we are 25% down on our income, with an overdraft that is already straining against its limit.

Until I took the cold call from Creditfix, I'd never even heard of an IVA, but now I have, I can't just pretend it doesn't exist and the option isn't there.

Having a good credit rating isn't so important to me if I'm honest, it's never got me anywhere sensible up to this point, have a nicely furnished home (that I don't own). So I would like to think I wouldn't miss a credit facility if it went. Plus I couldn't use it irresponsibly in future.

Bottom line ALL we need is to clear the overdraft and be a month ahead on money in, so next months bills come out of our money and not borrowed money from Mr Banker. I say 'all' as in reality it's not asking for a miracle. Just that another loan to obtain this will rinse our spare cash totally, at the repayment fees banks charge. Is it worth explaining the situation to my bank, will they care? Are they likely to facilitate a strategy of help?

So that's my story, any advice will be massively appreciated, if you think you can help me I will listen and learn.

I've been a prat, lived a comfy life throughout my teens and then early 20's and now am having to pay for a mess I've made myself, I accept that.

Just caught between a rock and a hard place.

Thanks for reading and replying folks. Appreciate it.
 
 

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Post by Foggy » Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:52 pm
If you need a couple of months "break" to catch up I would suggest a Debt Management Plan for a few months. That is to say, approach each creditor and offer a reduced payment for an agreed period of time, after which you can resume contractual payments. This would allow you to divert the unpaid portions to the overdraft and get some wriggle room back.

You can either do this yourself, or approach Step Change who will do this free from fees ( they are funded by the banks).

This way, after a few months "blip" you could, with discipline, be back on course.

The IVA is a much more formal arrangement which will assess your disposable income and this would be paid over 5 or 6 years (usually 5), at the end of which you will emerge, financially rehabilitated and debt free. It isn't a bed of roses and is very intrusive.

Creditfix are relatively new boys on the block and have had a few issues (mainly revolving around the pig's ear they made of taking on another firms caseload). They do seem to run IVA's reasonably well, so far, but their IP has been disciplined by her regulatory body for being a bit underhand. Personally I would not use a firm who cold called me, but would research my own choices.
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Post by longslog101 » Mon Aug 24, 2015 11:05 pm
Hey landt3,

Thanks for sharing, generally the only reason anyone knows about this forum is because they work in the industry or have made some poor financial choices along the way (myself included) or had the poorest run of luck, smashed mirrors etc etc...

For me I can relate to your situation because I rent, I don't overly need credit (now, having been in an IVA) but I know if my landlord decided he wanted to sell the place I would not pass a credit check with a agency trying to find somewhere to live, I would probably have to pay 6-12 months rent in advance, and that's only if the landlord doesn't think I'm a risk because I have a poor/terrible credit rating having been in an IVA and stuck with that stamp for 6 years.

If you went into an IVA tomorrow and the landlord gave you notice the following day would you be able to raise capital to pay rent in advance for your young family to live somewhere having to pay e.g. 6 months rent in advance (if you're a private tenant), what would be more stressful,that situation or your current financial one ? (You may not be a private tenant, I don't know about other tenant scheme as I have never been in any other type, if they require credit checks or not).

You say you have good credit, are you maxed out now as in you're credit rating is not good enough or not enough headroom that you can't get a 0% balance transfer on existing cards you're paying, or balance transfer at 0% that will credit funds to a current account with e.g. A 4% fee for several months at zero percent (link from moneysavingexpert.com)

http://m.virginmoney.com/virgin/credit- ... 0001-00629

Example your overdraft is £2000 you get a card with £3000 limit and do a 0% £2000 balance transfer to your bank account, this clears the overdraft (you now cancel your overdraft facility or make it £50 only for emergencies). Your crdit card balance is £2000 + 4% £2080 minimum monthly repayment 1% or £25, but you want to clear it all in the 40 month period, say 35 to be safe, that's £60 a month, at the end of the period no overdraft and no black credit marks, then call up and cancel account. Key things never miss a payment and never spend on it. If you can't get it maybe your other half can ?

With that if your credit rating will allow it you might be able to make a big enough dent in your overdraft and you can repay it at 0% interest which leaves more money to service the actual debt rather than interest and fees.

I'm not a financial whiz or qualified to give advice, but it would be a route I took before putting a black mark on your good credit rating (once the balance transfer was done I would cut the card up too - after setting up a login lol). You just need to be disciplined and not use the card for anything else and always pay monthly payment with a view to clearing the balance in the 0% period. Moneysaving expert has some good tools to give you pre-eligibility checks that don't actually hit your credit file and to let you know chances of successful application.

If that's an option, I would also try the bank, not for a loan, but to see if given your circumstances they might consider waiving overdraft charges as you are new parents, even if only for 6 months.

Both of the above things won't affect your credit file with a missed payment or default mark etc,

Personally, after that, then I think a DMP may be the way forward, I tried to do one myself with template letters but the banks/card companies came back trying to haggle for a bigger pie me of the pie, I then called stepchange instead and they did it for me and the banks accepted all their figures, have a look at website for their income and expenditure form to fill in so of you do call them you have all the info to hand, but remember as soon as you do this you are breaking the terms of any agreements you have with financial providers and debts you have and your credit score starts to take a hit.

I know this sounds so silly, but it wasn't until I was in my IVA I started doing it but utilities I had with several companies, gas, electric mobiles, internet,many etc, are you on the latest best deals,that phone call of I'm leaving can save you good money, I'd wager at least £100 a month, I have just gone through the exercise and we are now £140 better off a month, gas and electric was the big one, the price of oil and natural gas is low......tie in for a year again check out a comparison site, we halved our gas and electric direct debit.

New baby....nappies. Oh my lord, save a fortune and buy them at aldi, we were using pampers, the price difference is extreme and just as good a product, I know it all sounds so tight, but what a saving the amount of nappies we were going though..... And speaking of aldi, reckon we have halved out food hopping bill going there now and the quality of stuff is great, you may have done all of that already.

Well that's my personal thoughts, good luck, and take that cold calling firms number and confine it to trash items and cancel the telephone interview/meeting with them (IMHO) and read a shed load more about IVA's before proceeding any further with them (personal opinion), within 6 years your
Ives could and probably will change considerably, you might want to buy a new family home, get a mortgage, move for kids schooling, all of which would be very hard/near impossible with an IVA and if you hit a promotion, yeah mor disposable income, no, not so, it is assigned to the IVA.... Its not the easy out that it is painted by the sales person on the end of the phone.

I know My suggestion of a 0% card may be frowned up in! but I just see it as a possible tool in the box for your current predicament.
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Post by footiemad » Tue Aug 25, 2015 7:28 am
Having read all of this thread I agree with long slog. If you could obtain a 0% deal and rigidly stick to ie pay off the overdraft etc, it must be your best option. An iVA is a really hard slog and its like having big brother watching every move - I have a migraine most days and although I try to just get on with my life it's always there nagging at the back of my head. You're facing your problems now which is great before the situation escalates and I feel sure that there is a solution for you which doesn't include damaging your credit status. Good luck.
 
 

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Post by lifenoteasy » Tue Aug 25, 2015 8:29 am
As a CF "client" (which for a lot of us is a different story) I would suggest shop around.

Also only ever go into an IVA when you need to and because it is the only realistic option left.

It sounds like you could get through this without an IVA.
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Post by Michael Peoples » Tue Aug 25, 2015 9:21 am
Depending on the split of the debts between yourself and your wife one or either of you may qualify for a debt relief order. This is for debts of below £15k [soon to be £20k] and a disposablke income of less than £50 per month. Be aware though that it can be cancelled within a year if circumstances improve but for a one off payment of £90 it is worth investigating.
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Post by Adam Davies » Tue Aug 25, 2015 9:43 am
Hi

I think you would benefit from speaking to two or three more companies just so that you are fully aware of all options.
An IVA is a brilliant tool but only in the right circumstances

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Post by kallis3 » Tue Aug 25, 2015 4:57 pm
Agree with Andy - speak to one or two more companies.

Give Andy Davie/Vincent Bond a ring for some free advice and take it from there.
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