Why do IVA's ask for equity release in year 4 ?

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Post by Michael Peoples » Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:43 pm
Your response is fine and you have quoted from their own terms and conditions. Send the response directly to the IP and not the person you previously dealt with.
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Post by kallis3 » Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:47 pm
Fingers crossed
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Post by Foggy » Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:22 pm
font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:<hr height="1" noshade>Originally posted by GL

Okay I've sent the reply. Fingers crossed again.
Why do they not following the T&C's of the IVA and put my offer forward?
Because the person you spoke to is either bone idle or doesn't know his job.
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Post by GL » Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:38 am
Update: The reply I've received is shocking and I'm rather taken back. Suggesting I,m pulling a fast one. We upload it soon.
 
 

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Post by lifenoteasy » Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:01 am
If it is that bad I am really good at doing responses and will be happy to help.
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Post by Foggy » Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:08 am
Which firm is this ?
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Post by Lisa Thomas » Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:28 am
The plot thickens... Sounds like a complaint will be in order.
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Post by GL » Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:58 am
font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:<hr height="1" noshade>Originally posted by Foggy

Which firm is this ?
debtlifeboat
 
 

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Post by lifenoteasy » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:07 pm
This is the Baker Tilly lot.
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Post by GL » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:12 pm
Here it is!

I understand your desire to be “shot” of your IVA as cheaply as possible, but, besides the clauses in your proposal and terms and conditions there is a duty of the Supervisor to act equally fairly in the interests of debtors and creditors. Our view of what you propose, given the enormous equity in your house, is that it is simply not fair to the creditors. Years of experience have taught Insolvency Practitioners that these early settlements are often sought by unscrupulous debtors to prevent large sums falling due to the debtor, and known about by the debtor, from being made available to the creditors, because they crystallise after closure of the IVA. This can damage our reputation as it can carry with it, in creditors’ minds, a lack of vigilance on our part.

I have no reason to suppose this to be the case with yourself but I am sure you understand that we have to be cautious with such proposals. Regardless of the clauses you quote, Mr. IP MAN is of the view that your proposal is inadequate, and does not achieve a fair balance as explained above.


If we assume the August contribution goes through normally, and that the alternative of a 12-month extension applies due to the inability to re-mortgage, and also assume no uplift arising on the next I&E review, total contributions to the end would be £5,112. You are not even offering that much. What incentive is there for creditors to accept? They may just as well decline, and allow the existing arrangement to continue. And furthermore, their typical view is that you are trying to “pull the wool over their eyes”. The basic problem, is, that with so much equity, the “bankruptcy” comparison moves in favour of “bankruptcy” and in those circumstances, creditors look favourably at some movement by you to reflect that. In short, it would be in their interests for your Arrangement to fail. That is why I suggested an offer of £7,500 would probably kill off objections.


What you would like us to do, therefore is request a variation to be agreed with creditors which lacks credibility. Such an exercise is likely to use up this office’s resources for no reward.


Therefore I can only suggest, in order to minimise unnecessary costs, that I take informal soundings of your principal creditors with our contacts at the creditor agencies to see whether they would be sympathetic to your cause, and let you know the outcome. If they are likely to accept, we will proceed with your wishes; if not, we can discuss again.

Shall I do this?
 
 

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Post by lifenoteasy » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:16 pm
Was this the actual IP that sent this?
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Post by kallis3 » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:24 pm
We had an awful lot of equity in our house but were allowed to continue with the extension as we could not remortgage.

Must admit that I wouldn't be happy with that reply!
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Post by GL » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:28 pm
font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:<hr height="1" noshade>Originally posted by lifenoteasy

Was this the actual IP that sent this?
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Post by lifenoteasy » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:43 pm
"Dear

Thank you for your email that I have received today.

I find the tone, language and phrasing suprisingly confrontational and unprofessional and you should regard this email as a complaint about how you specifically have sought to address this matter.

There are 3 issues that you have identified:

1. Whether the reputation of Debt Lifeboat would be damaged by putting forward my offer because it may represent a lack of vigilance on your part

2. Whether the actual offer is sufficient or whether it could perhaps be increased

3. Whether it is worth your while putting forward the offer because it will cost you money

Regarding point 1 the IVA agreement was drafted, handled and supervised by yourselves. Any shortcomings or issues that have not been redressed within that agreement are based on decisions that you made.

I specifically chose Debt Lifeboat because of its professionalism and its willingness to see customers as individuals (and the latter is from your own web site).

Additionally you have had 5 years in which to redress any issues or concerns especially if you felt that equity would be an issue.

Regarding the second point I can only state that I am willing to be advised by you but at the same time I am conscious of what is or is not possible.

Regarding the third point the matter of fees etc. was resolved at the time that you decided to act as the supervisor. Again, if this was an issue this should have been redressed at the time."

That a start.
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Post by Leese » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:45 pm
My gob is totally smacked!

Edited as crossed with Life's much better response!
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